Guns and School (EDITED)

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since my first post was....ugly to say the least i edited it over night. hope this makes it more legible,

At the request of another poster I’ve decided to share my experience with guns, and my high school. This happened before joining the high road. Let me give a little background info. I was 17 during the course of these events, I'm now 18. My friend has been 18 throughout the entire length of the story though is soon to turn 19. We’ll call him bob in this story. Bob was kicked out of his house back in august. Me, being pretty much is only friend other than his girlfriend, took him in and he has been living with me since. We’re good friends and have bonded a lot since he's lived here. We both are avid believers in the constitution and firearms ownership. Obviously since he is somewhat homeless however, he really doesn’t have any money to indulge in owning a gun himself.

Around Christmas time I was feeling pretty bad for him. No family of his own to spend the holidays with, I decided I would be charitable and give him money to buy a gun. I couldn’t go and get it myself because, like I said, I was only 17. So shortly after Christmas, him and me went to Dunham’s. We had been there a few times before and he seemed interested in the g3 or CETME models. However the last visit he told me he was fond of the wasr-10, like me. This is significant because I also liked the gun a lot.

Anyways I gave him the money, he passed the background check, and we left the store with a brand new gun. Now before you guys go saying I wanted the gun for me, that’s not true. I thought maybe him and me could go shoot together, and bond some more as friends yes, but never did I say or think that it was MY gun. A couple months go by and we figure "what goods a gun without ammo?" so we order 1000 rounds from Cabella (sp) online, at $75 (not bad huh?) wolf 122gr jhp. About a month afterwards, still not shot off a single round because its difficult to find a range that will allow A: bi-metal jackets which my wolf ammo had or B: a range where you can shoot and ak replica. Anyways life continued happily.

Ownership was fairly known at school, and kind of expected (I’m very vocal about the 2nd amendment) students questioned it but they were pretty ignorant and so we didn’t pay any mind to them. Around the time the hockey team was going to the finals, they started shaving their heads. Bob and I didn’t exactly like it since we're true skinheads (as in we shave our heads completely bald, not in the neo-nazi sense)

I was "sick" one day because I wanted to sleep in. apparently during the day bob said that he didn’t appreciate the hockey team shaving their heads. No mention of a gun or even violence was uttered. Someone questioned his girlfriend, someone who is disapproving of firearms, as to whether or not bob owned a gun. She said yes and knew how to use it. Since I wasn’t there I cannot say for certain if that was a threat or not, but its quite a vague threat if it is one at all. So bob and his girlfriend spend the day in the office. The police are called. The administration at the school is demonizing my friend for owning a legal firearm. Anyways they eventually reach the decision: give up the gun or be expelled. They said originally that the gun wouldn’t be destroyed or anything and would simply be put into storage, along with the 1000 rounds, for the rest of the school year, whereupon we could go and reclaim it. Anyways the detective who was overseeing this whole arrangement went to my moms work to ask for permission to enter the house and seize the gun. He explains to her that the gun will not be destroyed and we could get it back later. AFTER she had signed it however the detective says on his way out "we're going to destroy itâ€. He lied to my mom, someone who used to work for him. He then must get bobs permission to destroy the gun. He tells bob that my mom, who is the reason bob is not living on the street right now, wants the gun destroyed. Obviously he will comply. So he lies to bob too.

They come to the house that day while I’m still "sick" and take it along with the 1000 rounds and a hunting magazine I purchased so we could hunt with it. Anyways bob is told by the school that he isn’t suspended BUT the administration doesn’t want him anywhere near school property. Later in the night the school calls my house and tells my mom that I shouldn’t come in until Monday either.

Now before I continue let me discuss my image a little. It was cold out as this happened in late February/early march. I wore a black leather trench coat, as it was very comfortable and kept me warm, plus I like it. I also wore a 30-06 casing around my neck. This was taken from my grandfathers’ 21-gun salute at Arlington a few years ago and I wear it as a sign of remembrance for him. Apparently I was presenting a "negative image" or something like that.

Anyways the next day both bob and me don’t have school. His girlfriend has to go in with her father and discuss her situation. After leaving the building he proceeds (sp) TO BEAT HIS OWN DAUGHTER IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SCHOOL PARKING LOT, IN VIEW OF NEARLY HALF THE SCHOOL AND THE SECURITY GUARDS nothing is done for 20 minutes while I continually hits and abuses her. The police come at one point and tell him "you need to cool it." She comes to my house, where bob and me take pictures of the various marks he’s left on her. The man has had numerous calls of domestic abuse for beating his kids and keeps a large folder of child porn on his laptop. We after we take the pictures we go down to the police station to file a report and hopefully put the sick bastard in jail for a little while. When we get there she’s taken into the back and questioned. Neither bob nor me see her for the rest of the day. Then the detective who came to my house, and lied to both bob and my mom, comes out to question us. First he takes bob. After about an hour he comes back and takes me for questioning. Bare in mind we are still here to file the report. He asks me one question regarding why we are there. He then begins to question me about the gun, asking me if its been fired, have we done anything illegal with it, why 1200+ rounds? I begin to defend my friend and myself.

After we left the station bob tells me that the detective did the exact same thing with him! Anyways we sit out for the rest of the weekend, simply stewing in our own rage at the situation. My mom, another person who isn’t exactly thrilled with the idea of a gun in the house, but still supports us, has to come in and talk to the school with us on Monday.

On Monday we go in, expecting to return to our regular day after the meeting. This is not the case. Apparently we need to see "an outside opinion" in the form of a psychological evaluation. It’s supposed to be with someone outside of the school. So they set it up with the school district psychologist. This happens two days later. Bobs girlfriend must also go under the whole psychological evaluation thing. Anyways on Wednesday when we're all supposed to go it turns out that it’s not just the district psychologist who is meeting us. The principle, both assistant principles, the detective who lied to us, they're all there too. Very "outside" don’t you think? Anyways the talk to me about various things, and conduct myself in a very calm open manner. They question me on various things, and I do get to call the detective a liar in front of everyone, so that makes me feel a tad better.

However the story ends well because all of us were allowed back into school. But I cannot where my necklace and neither me nor bob can wear trench coats. The principles can however. The reason we didn’t fight this as hard as we could have is because we're both seniors and graduation is close at hand. However AFTER graduation I will have about 6 different civil liberties organizations on speed dial.

sorry about the double post and about any other errors i have. hopefully they wont detract as much as in the first post.
 
This entire thing smells of BS to me......

You take a "sick" day so you can sleep in, but want to be a Marine?

Your buddy "doesn't appreciate" people cutting their hair the same way he does?

The school doesn't suspend you, but says you can't come back.

They don't suspend your buddy, but he "shouldn't be anywhere near the school"

Detectives get involved in a case were there is NOTHING going on

You know a guy beats his kids and has kiddie porn, but you do nothing about it until he pisses you off.....
 
Call the FBI while you're at it and let them know that girl's loser dad is surfing kiddie porn and they'll be happy to talk to him.
 
the shell is a 30-06. my brothers shell is a 30-06. my moms shell is a 30-06. they were all picked up from the 21 gun. and yes we've tried getting him in trouble before. many, many times. doesnt work. didnt work this time either. we need to go over the local polices departments head.
 
Whether you call it a salute or a volley, at "military" funerals, the honor guard of 7 fires 3 times (I have seen other combination that total 21). Almost always, unless the deceased was active military, it is done by the local VFW post who uses M1 Garands (.30-'06) firing blanks.
 
I'd have to agree with kfranz. I have this suspicion we are only getting half the story on this one...

- Gabe

PS: If that was the 'edited' version of your post, you should have spent more time paying attention in English class during your 4 years in high school. It may seem that people here are giving you a real hard time about that, but it's only because we know that poor writing/communications skills will haunt you for the rest of your life. People will label you immediately on seeing that you can't write properly and you'll spend alot of time trying to overcome the first impression that you are going to be creating.

Your English teachers need a serious firing if they passed you out of 12th grade English not capitalizing proper names, misspelling common words, etc.
 
jesus christ man, that just sucks! the school had no need or right to investigate a legally owned firearm...

and the thing how you can't wear your necklace or trench is a load of ****... christ...i would have fought against that- they can't discriminate against your friend because he has a rifle... (how much do you want to bet that the school wouldn't give half a damn if it was a bolt-action?) and the .30/06 shell... if that's a remembrance of your grampa, i'd have told them that, and said somthing along the lines of "what nerve you must have to tell me to remove the only thing i have to rember my grampa!!"

...damn gun-grabbing sheeple...
~TMM
 
Ok - let's see if I can summarize what we have here:

1 Kid with the writing skills of a 7th grader (and that's being generous) posting on a firearms related forums complaining how unfair it all was.

3 H.S kids - one female who gets beat by pop and a couple of trenchcoat wearing, head shaving kids - one a self proclaimed 'redneck' who wears a 30-06 casing around his neck as a 'rememberance' (yeah right ok)

18 yr old H.S. kid kicked out of own house goes to live with H.S. buddy - (dunno about you all, but I figure but pop prolly didn't kick him out of his house for eating crackers in bed - ya think?)

17 yr old kid apparently lives with mom - no dad anywhere in sight?

This 17 yr old kid gives money to friend to buy an AK clone & 1000+ rnds of ammunition. They have the rifle and ammo for what - several months? and have not yet figured out legal and safe a place to shoot? Hey rr if this is your first rifle - why not buy a 10-22 and a couple a bricks of long rifle - at least that you know you can shoot just about anywhere without getting hassled?

Another question, did you ask mom what she thought you 'giving' money to your mooch friend so he could buy a piece of crap Ak clone?

Nah - you just wanted a cool AK-47 like you see in the movies - so you and your 'posse' could can tell people at "skool" - "yeah we have a gun and we know how to use it" -

:rolleyes:

Now I'm not saying RR & his pals are psycho like Dylan and Kleebold - but if you take the self absorbed whining with a grain of salt and look at this objectively there were a LOT of red flags flying here - I'd say from what I can see, the school and local constabulry did just fine. And maybe RR will learn a little lesson - frankly it's a cheap one at that.

Redneck Revolver - if you walk like a duck, and talk like a duck - don't be too suprised if the people you meet "mistake" you for a duck....
 
I'm not going to say I don't beleive what happened here, as I myself have had some whacked out things happen in high school. I once had a teacher tell an entire class of 10th graders that I was having sex in her classroom at lunch. But this is not my story.

So you and your friend "bob" bought a cheap AK clone, and 1,000 rounds mail-order. Later in the story, the detective asks you what you were doing with 1,200+ rounds. Where did the other 200 come from?

You live in Michigan. I can see if you were in Californias having toruble finding a range that would allow you to take your AK clone, but surely Michigan isn't THAT bad. Find some open property and ask the owner!

Your mom signed a paper giving permission to enter her house without a warrant. Did "Bob" sign somethign to this effect? If so, did he read it? I know some pretty screwy cops, but 99.9% of them wouldn't lie in the course of an investigation. If whatever he signed only provided for "temporary storage", and gave a term, then he's got legal grounds to sue when that time frame is up. If this is the case, i suggest you do - hope you have all your reciepts! If he didn't read what he signed, this is a valuable lesson for you, at a cheap price - NEVER sign anything without reading it.

I got to your post after it had been editted, but there was some mention in the other posts about wearing a .30-06 case around someone's neck in rememberance of someone, presumably a veteran. While legal, this probably wasn't a wise think to wear to school on a daily basis. Take it in a pocket, sure, maybe even on a long chain under a shirt, but not where people can see it.

You describe yourself as "skinheads". What exactly does that mean? The only skinheads I know are of the neo-nazi variety, and although you said you weren't of that type, what other type is there? Skinhead is usually a derogatory term. Also, why would you have a problem with people shaving their heads? Would you have had a problem if it was a rainy day, and a couple people came to school in long black trenchcoats to stay dry? It jsut doesn't make any sense to me.

Finally, the girlfriend. I can understand her saying you had a gun, but the whole "knew how to use it" thing is just asking for trouble. You obviously didn't know how to use it, you stated quite clearly that you had never fired the rifle.

If the girlfriend's dad was abusing her, you should go to the police. If that doesn't help, go to child protection services. Finally, if that doesn't help, file for a retraining order, and start the paperwork for emancipation. IOW, do whatever is necessary to seperate this person from the abuser.

Your story is interesting, but stops just short of outraging, because it has so many logical fallicies. People just don't act the way they do in your post on a large scale. I'm sure most of the events happened just the way you described them, but surely there are some missing details in there?
 
Your story is interesting, but stops just short of outraging, because it has so many logical fallicies. People just don't act the way they do in your post on a large scale. I'm sure most of the events happened just the way you described them, but surely there are some missing details in there?

+1.

Some thing just don't seem right here. Like this:

His girlfriend has to go in with her father and discuss her situation. After leaving the building he proceeds (sp) TO BEAT HIS OWN DAUGHTER IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SCHOOL PARKING LOT, IN VIEW OF NEARLY HALF THE SCHOOL AND THE SECURITY GUARDS nothing is done for 20 minutes while I continually hits and abuses her.

Sorry if I don't believe you, but you said he was beating her for 20 minuets in a school parking lot. I wouldn't doubt the domestic abuse, but domestic abuse for 20 minuets in a public parking lot, and the police don't care? And no one else steps in, no one at all? Just the fact that he was beating on her for 20 minuets in the middle of a prking lot seems abstract to me, but no ine stepping in seems downright unbelievable.
 
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I thought this was a joke...

but I guess it's for real.

If so it's a steaming pile of bollocks.

You go to school to learn and get an education. So you can go to college or a trade school and make something of your up-until-now-worthless life.
Until 18 you are just a Democrat. You are sucking on the teat even though you maybe don't even realize it.

You don't fight with the school. You aren't expressing your personality by the way you dress, that's lefty crap. You are showing your personality.

From the description of your dress you are a '****.

You may be a mensa member and on the dean's list but when I see (and read) you I see a '****.

Shape up. Stop hanging with trash. Go to school every day there is school. Then find out if you can attend colege courses during the summer.

Stop giving your mother grief. She goes to work so you can have a life. Don't throw that life away by acting like a moron and antagonizing those that have judicial authority over you.

We had skinheads in my school. They were all losers. Learn some grooming habits.

Having your buddy make straw gun purchases then lying about it on this board is stooopid. Bragging about how the "man" has it in for you and your buddy and how "we wasn't doin' nothin' honest" makes me think you think I AM STOOPID.

I am not. You are.

As John Wayne said: Life is tough. It's tougher if you're stupid.

Frankly, running around looking like a psycho killer claiming your rights under the 2nd Amendment gives us all a bad name.
If you are want to get in trouble there are much better ways than dragging we gun owners down with you.

I lost 20 IQ points just reading your ignorant screed and now I lost another 20 actually replying to it.

I don't expect to do you any good, but getting my anger out sure as heck did me some.

I took the high road by not letting everyone know what I REALLY think.


G
 
ya know....i thought this was "the high road." i thought we treated each other with dignity and what not. geuss i was wrong. to attack me is one thing, but to attack my friends, and family, without ever hearing a single word from them? thats just low. screw the high road, im gone.
 
This is an opportunity for you to learn, if you are willing. Learning often requires critical self examination, which usually isn't enjoyable. It also requires us to look at those around us critically, which isn't enjoyable either. You've had some folks here make pretty decent points, based on the information you provided. While GT's commentary may have been a little harsh in the delivery, the message is spot on.

If you already know it all, good luck with the future
 
RR: As far as I can see, no on here was rude to you, most simply don't believe you. I reserve judgement, because I know screwed up stuff goes on in high school. Perhaps you could offer up some proof? A scan of the document your mother or your friend signed would be a good idea.
 
I think you guys were a little harsh on this kid. While his post is a little out there I think questioning his intelligence is borderline crossing over the low road.
 
Calling someone a '**** and 'stoopid' is unacceptable behavior around here.

Come on. A "'****'"? I thought we were discussing high school, not in high school.

- Gabe
 
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