Guns, grenades and armor, but violence may not follow

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Now while I don't condone illegal silencers and such, but come on...


Guns, grenades and armor, but violence may not follow
Possession of cache doesn't prove intent to hurt anyone, expert says

By JORDAN CARLEO-EVANGELIST, Staff writer
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First published: Wednesday, March 29, 2006

COLONIE -- The list of weapons and equipment seized from Brian Sweeney's Fonda Road home last week spans more than a dozen pages and includes throwing knives, body armor, homemade silencers, grenade components and a handgun.

Sweeney now faces felony weapons charges for some of the items, but many of the items, including several bullet-resistant vests, armored helmets, and a pair of night-vision goggles, are perfectly legal in New York.

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And while authorities have expressed concerns about the cache Sweeney amassed, police have yet to uncover evidence that the 18-year-old planned to hurt anyone -- a fact some experts say is more significant than the size of his arsenal.

"Certainly, possession of those types of things is a reason for concern, but it's not proof of intention to act," said Dewey G. Cornell, a forensic clinical psychologist at the University of Virginia who specializes in youth violence.

Investigators are now examining computers taken from Sweeney's home that might hold additional clues, an effort that could take a month or longer, said Colonie Police Lt. John Van Alstyne.

Until then, authorities aren't prepared to say what, if anything, Sweeney planned, and they concede they might never know.

Sweeney was arrested March 19 carrying two homemade grenades in woods not far from the town bike path, allegedly pointing his military-style rifle in the direction of nearby houses. Police said they heard Sweeney shooting into the ground shortly before they arrested him.

But Sweeney's family describes him as a curious, if misguided, young man caught up in a desire to serve as an Army Ranger.

His case raises questions about how people with similar interests are viewed and whether a curiosity about violent things automatically makes a person dangerous.

The topic has increased resonance here given the region's recent history.

In 2004, a student fired a shotgun inside Columbia High School, and last year a man fired dozens of rounds from an rifle inside an Ulster County mall.

The day after Sweeney's arrest, his father, Thomas Sweeney, said he feared memories of those incidents -- and this weekend's massacre in Seattle, in which an Albany native was one of six people shot dead -- will brand his son a menace when that is not his nature.

"I happen to know two or three very prominent people in Albany who are neither police officers nor gun nuts who happen to own bulletproof vests," said Thomas King, president of the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association.

King doesn't defend the possession of illegal weaponry. Encouraging the enforcement of existing gun laws is often his group's response to attempts to create new ones.

Being a collector doesn't make Sweeney a killer, King said.

"There are a lot of legal and lawful gun owners out there who are military curio collectors as well," King said.

Sweeney's Bushmaster rifle -- a brand propelled to infamy by John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo, the two snipers who terrorized the nation's capital several years ago -- is legal in New York.

The charges against Sweeney stem from the grenades, the silencers and a handgun not licensed to him and a reckless endangerment charge for having the explosives in his family's home, authorities say.

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Cornell, the psychologist, said these kinds of cases defy generalization, but he said research shows the factors that lead someone to violence usually involve more than merely access to weapons.

It is a phenomenon that came to be known as "the black trench coat problem" in the years after the 1999 massacre at Columbine High School in Colorado, Cornell said. Some schools took measures to ban trench coats similar to those worn by the killers, but Cornell said such a move was illogical because many people who wear such garb never hurt anyone.

"It's sort of the culture of the moment to think that we can understand people by profiling them," Cornell said. "The weaponry alone isn't a reliable sign. A sign-and-symptom approach is not a very useful or valid way to predict violence."

Instead, Cornell advocates a system called "threat assessment," which takes into account things a person says and does, like making threats, to gauge whether they might become violent.

Besides the weaponry, the inventory from the search warrants is largely silent on what Sweeney might have had in mind -- though the list does include two Nazi flags recovered from the basement.

John Gable, Sweeney's attorney, declined to comment last week and could not be reached earlier this week.

In the days after Robert C. Bonelli Jr. opened fire in the Hudson Valley Mall in February 2005, wounding a National Guard recruiter, evidence seized from Bonelli's Saugerties home showed a "lurid" fascination with the Columbine massacre and an "admiration" for the two young men who perpetrated it, said Donald A. Williams, the Ulster County district attorney.

Bonelli's journals also "expressed a wanton disregard for human life, other people's lives," Williams said, declining to get more specific before Bonelli's May sentencing. Bonelli pleaded guilty to assault and other state charges earlier this month. In June, he is scheduled to be sentenced in federal court after pleading guilty to weapons charges.

"I don't think the issue here is the rifle that this kid had," John Morgan, resident agent in charge of the Albany office of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, said of Sweeney. "I think the issue is what was he up to.

"Improvised hand grenades are extremely dangerous and serve no legitimate purpose. Even on a good day, I wouldn't want to be within a thousand feet of one detonating."

Staff writer Jordan Carleo-Evangelist can be reached at 454-5445 or by e-mail at jcarleo-evangelist@ timesunion.com.
 
Interesting. Actually trying to divorce the action from the tools. Common sensical. Hmmm, this writer will be burned in effigy by The Brady Bunch.
 
Hey I am a gun nut and I don't have a bullet proof vest!!!
In fact, I never even considered buying one.
Should I have one to keep my gun nuts status?
 
Improvised hand grenades are extremely dangerous and serve no legitimate purpose. Even on a good day, I wouldn't want to be within a thousand feet of one detonating.

Heck, they have the perfectly legitimate purpose of blowing stuff up. I did this all the time when I was a kid. We (the other kids and I) would make improvised "grenades" out of fireworks (the were really just suped-up M-80's). Then we would go into an empty field and blow big craters in a sand hill. It was probably slightly illegal and a little bit dangerous and irresponsible, but we were by no means a "danger to society".

It sounds like this kid just needs a little positive instruction in the responsible use of firearms and explosives. As well as the importance of adhereing to the law regarding such or risk being labled as "the crazy armed extremist who liked to kill and blow things up":eek:
 
my room has targets on the wall, pictures of guns, a gun locker, camo everywhere, a 4 shelves full of SHTF whatnot, ammo, vests, rifle stocks, boots, everything. Its all LEGAL, but I guarantee id be a person of interest if someone saw it.

I can understand when you break the law making silencers and grenades, but why try to destroy someones reputation just because they may frequent an army navy store.

haha. My army/navy store knows me on a first name basis...along with my gun shop. How many people have I killed...oh yea...zero!!!
 
I've been on the recieving end of that 'person of interest' bovine excriment myself.

I still don't get it.

If somebody's got a lot of camo (I do), a couple of guns (I used to...), and some survival equipment (I go camping and hiking, so I have such toys as a small gen. 1 NV monocular, a flare gun, a machete, hatchets, and other nonsense) and it's all legal and they're not using it illegally and not threatening anybody with any of it, what business of it is yours?

Why do authority figures feel the need to make up labels for people whose lifestyles they don't agree with? If you want to get into it, this goes beyond shooters and into the realm of other lifestyles that people happen not to agree with (homosexuality, anyone?) but I won't get into that.

How come you can label me whatever you want to demonize me without any opportunity for recourse on my part? Why is it that you can call me a 'paramilitary person of interest' or whatever nonsense, and make snide remarks amongst yourselves about 'guilty or not, someone needs to watch that guy' (these words were uttered, verbatim, between the prosecutor and the baliff at my hearing if you were curious), but if I take the liberty to call what you're doing unfair or label you a 'jack booted thug' or anything of the like you're allowed to threaten me and tell me to 'shut up' (again, happened to yours truly, though my words were 'ego driven authority complex')?

Jesus, if I dive into any more parenthetical asides I'm going to lose my train of thought. Where was I?

Labels. Piss me off no end. Where do the police and media get off thinking that they can dictate other people's intentions, emotions, and motivations simply because it'll stir up fear and look good in print?

But as usual, I'm bitter.
 
Not bad for a reporter - definitely above average.

I was impressed that they specified what weapons the charges arose from (the explosives). From most of these kind of articles, you would get the impression that the individuals are being charged with the crime of "owning a lot of guns and quasi-military stuff."
 
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