Guns on ships are't enough to stop a pirate attack

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interesting discussion......... i did see that that history channel thing last night on pirates........... looks to me like it should be open season on these wastes of human meat........ it is plumb stupid to capture them and bring them to trial in the U.S...... that just gives the world more fodder to us.... if they were taken out and left in the ocean looks like nobody would even know it......... JMO.............

LIFE IS SHORT..... TOO SHORT TO PUT UP WITH SEAGOING CRIMALS.......
 
Does a MK-19 have more range than a Ma Deuse? I think both would be good.
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The effective range is listed as about 200 meters greater on the M2 but practically I find the MK19 I find is longer as you can more easily see the effects and guide the rounds in at that range.
 
Someone needs to re-instate the "Q-Ship" program like the British had in WWII.
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In WW1 you mean, and it'd be a great idea again, probably more successful against these pirates than it was against U-boats in either WW1 or WW2.
 
part of the problem is ais... Ais shows exact positions of every ship falling under stcw req's, us and foreign... So somali businessman in lagos, nigeria has shipping connections... His buddy who has access to ais (also a un mandated program in a sense) says, "hey, ishmal, the mv cargopig will be heading thru these waters at this time on this date..." ishmal calls buddies in mogadishu on satt phone, they relay info to their buddies, and thats how guys in a leaky fishing boat can find cargo ships offshore 500 miles off... These arent random... Nobody in power wants to acknowledge this but its how it is... Get rid of the ais, or secure it better... Plus give the crews guns...
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ais? Stwc?
 
Bring back the Q-Ships, take out the trash, end this very old problem (piracy is how old a problem???!!!!) before it gets bigger and out of hand.
 
One of these rigs on each corner of the ships, problem solved! Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt, where'd they go?

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A lot of good ideas.....Nothing wrong with the various mini-gun arrangements.

Altough, I still like the 40MM Bofors Cannon in a 'quad-mount'...

4 of those approximately 1.57" barrels pointed directly at YOU!

IIRC, the last 'quad-mount' Bofors had a magazine capacity of 576 rounds or so.....
 
Weapons aren't the problem. The technical aspect of arming these ships is easy. What is missing (except on rare occasions such as this one) is the will and authority to use them. The idea that a half-dozen hopped-up teens in a rubber dinghy can take over ocean going ships with nothing but small arms is a sad reflection on the (so called) civilized world's governments. Add to that the ship owners and insurance companies. None in the bunch have a measurable amount of intestinal fortitude. The wusses are hopelessly wrapped up in a cowardly insistence on "peaceful solutions." Only when, or if this changes will there be any headway.
 
The Seabourne Spirit used a sonic device a few years ago to deter pirates. There are plenty of options out there, we just have to convince panic-prone nations that equipping a ship with five guys carry guns or a sonic device isn't a threat to their security.
 
Greedy corporations won't start arming their ships in mass until the moment when they start losing profit due to piracy.

As long as insurance rates are cheap, they won't loose money if their ships are captured by pirates. The lives of the crew are not a factor; Corporations are not liable for the consequences of criminal actions, and dead crew men do not cost anything to replace.

However by having insurance companies pour in hundreds of millions of dollars into that area, to ransom the ships, this situation is self sustaining and will grow.

Merchant ships will be armed once National Government's prevent payment of ransom/insurance money to the pirates, and sink captured merchant ships before they reach Somali shores.
 
From "the Age"
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Cruise ship passengers threw tables and chairs at pirates
Ben Doherty
April 28, 2009
PASSENGERS on board a cruise ship off the east African coast threw plastic tables and chairs at AK-47-wielding pirates who were trying to board the ship.

Seventy-four Australians were among the 991 passengers and 536 crew on board the Melody when it was attacked about 7.35pm (Greenwich Mean Time) Saturday about 180 nautical miles north of the Seychelles.

More than 200 shots were fired by the pirates, but there was retaliatory gunfire from Israeli security guards on board the ship. Two people on the Melody were cut by glass shattered by bullets. These were the only injuries reported.

A piracy expert has warned that cruise ship operators are gambling with people's lives by sailing the waters off the Horn of Africa.

Most passengers initially thought the pirates' gunshots were fireworks, Brisbane woman Jenny Murtagh said.

An orchestra on the top deck continued to play, until a woman burst in and said pirates were attacking the ship.

"We heard pop-pop-pop-pop-pop again and this woman came screaming through the deck," Ms Murtagh said.

"She was out on the back deck and saw the Somalians try to get their ropes up onto the ship, so she was throwing the plastic deck tables at them. And then another man raced onto the deck and he was throwing the plastic chairs at them to keep them off the ship.

"(The pirates) tried to get their ropes, or their hooks, onto the boat, and they did start to climb up, but this woman threw the tables onto them and pushed them back."

As security guards fired on the pirates, the Melody's captain, Ciro Pinto, began anti-pirate manoeuvres, slowing down the 200-metre ship and entering a zig-zag pattern designed to upset the smaller pirate boat.

He said the attack left his ship with holes in its hull. "It was as if we were at war," he said.
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Way to go, wait till the grappling ropes come over the side and then drop a table on them.

Of course, I'd prefer a couple of house bricks or a steel picket, that should knock the mongrel off his rope.
 
Of course, I'd prefer a couple of house bricks or a steel picket, that should knock the mongrel off his rope.
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I say, go medieval on 'em, bring back boiling oil!

--wally.
 
Is this a repeat thread from 1700?

Back in the days of the Spanish Main, Blackbeard, etc, the merchants were armed with state-of-the-art cannon...

On the sea, tactics to stay out of gun range are more critical than having or using a gun yourself. Large, lumbering merchantmen laden with goods will always have problems evading a small, light, faster, more maneuverable boat.

Tactically, for guns on a ship to have a deterent effect, their presence must be advertised...much like open-carry sends a different message than ccw.

There used to be a (mercenary) group of Gurkhas that would put a squad onboard paying ships passing through the Straights of Malacca (only recently eclipsed by Somalia as the #1 pirate hotspot). These Gurkhas would be armed; but more importantly, they flew a big Gurkha flag from the ships they were on, so the pirates observing from the mangrove swamps would know that the ship were armed, and not to come out that day.
 
Let me point out that the Israelis also found the solution to preventing attacks in schools. After the massacre at Ma'alot, they armed the teachers.

Of course, most Israeli teachers, male and female, are military veterans.
 
Tactically, for guns on a ship to have a deterent effect, their presence must be advertised...much like open-carry sends a different message than ccw.
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The best advertisement is to shoot up a few pirate vessels -- let them learn about the guns the hard way, and let the survivors spread the news.
 
Or better yet, the cruise lines can provide what is like the old Teddy train cruises. Pack a cruise ship in a US port full of gun toting vactioneers and take them to the big gunrange off Somali waters using thier portholes as firing platforms.

Prizes to the top 10 shooters by lottery.
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The mods are deeply offended by such bantering - at least when * I * did it, they were...
 
Pack a cruise ship in a US port full of gun toting vactioneers...
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Haven't comments like that in previous "pirate" threads already gotten a few threads locked and a few posters warned of banishment?
 
Some adaptation of a bushmaster cannon gets my vote. Arm a few dozen but hide them and make it known, then use the threat to protect the rest. Similar to CCW. Not that the rest shouldn't be armed with small arms etc, but the possibility of a big cannon popping up should scare the peg legs off em.
 
seem that a little resistance was enough to quickly make them change thier minds.
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Thats usually all it takes to thwart criminals. They want easy targets... always have. The wolves will always try to pick off the lamb first... not the ram.
 
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