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Hammer fired DAO single stacks

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Regen, Apr 10, 2012.

  1. Regen

    Regen Well-Known Member

    I'm look for a new carry pistol and prefer hammer fired over striker fired pistols. I'm also looking for a single stack magazine. I like the Walther PPS, but it is a striker fired pistol. I'm looking for a 9mm pistol.

    Sig appears to make some (290 and 239 DAK).

    Are there any other pistols like this?

    Any pistols people would recommend?
  2. allaroundhunter

    allaroundhunter Well-Known Member

    I have fired a P239 in DA/SA configuration. I really did like it, but it did have a good bit of heft for a single-stack 9mm.

    The P290 is considerably smaller than the P239 and has a heavier trigger (about 9lbs vs. 7lbs). You can get roughly a full grip on the P239, whereas with the P290 I can only get a 2 finger grip.

    If I was to pick one of those that you mentioned, I would take the P239.
  3. bigfatdave

    bigfatdave Well-Known Member

    Kel Tec pf9
    ruger lc9 (essentially a kel tec clone with some nonsense CA-required features thrown on)
    Kel Tec p3at and p32

    NAA guardian series

    Para-Ord. LDA 1911 look-alikes
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2012
  4. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

  5. mlk18

    mlk18 Well-Known Member

    The best hammer fired DAO single stack ever made is the S&W 3953. Which is the DAO version of the excellent 3913. The trigger is ultra smooth and fairly light, plus they are very slim. A large amount of police trade in 3953's have hit the market recently so they are easy to find in the <$400 range.

  6. JohnBT

    JohnBT Well-Known Member

    Or for something smaller, a Rohrbaugh R9.
  7. 2wheels

    2wheels Well-Known Member

    My old man carries a P239 (though his is DA/SA), excellent handgun for sure. Another +1 to S&Ws offerings if you can find one, which you should be able to with a little luck.
  8. dbp

    dbp Well-Known Member

    Why preference of hammer over striker? Fairly new to autos so forgive my ignorance.
  9. RBid

    RBid Well-Known Member

    I, and some others, prefer hammer fired so that you can thumb the hammer while you holster the gun. Subcompact, hammer fired guns also tend to have DAO (double action only) triggers, which make accidental discharge less likely.
  10. 9mmepiphany

    9mmepiphany Moderator

    Something you can do with a hammer fired pistol is place your thumb on the hammer as you re-holster. If your finger, or anything else (like a safety strap or shirt tail), enters the trigger guard while holstering, you'll feel the movement as the trigger is pressed to the rear.
  11. dbp

    dbp Well-Known Member

    OK - makes sense. So it is basically a safety issue. I didn't know if there were differences in operation that made one more desirable than the other.

  12. bob kk

    bob kk Active Member

    I have a Sig 239 and it's a good shooter. Don't like it for carry because it's a little wide. Think a slim 1911 has spoiled me.
  13. Goomba

    Goomba Member

    That's what I do with that big striker indicator on the PPS.... I still say go with a PPS :p
  14. The Lone Haranguer

    The Lone Haranguer Well-Known Member

    Smith & Wesson made large numbers of hammer-fired DAOs in their Third Generation line, in 9mm, .40 or .45, single or double stack. These are no longer made, but can be found used. Note: they are a precocked hammer system and do not allow "second strike" on a dud.
  15. Walt Sherrill

    Walt Sherrill Well-Known Member

    Many of the hammer-fired DAO guns do not have hammers which can be thumbed back -- nor a cocking notch that would let you manually cock the hammer. (Most of the S&W version have bobbed hammers, for example.)

    But, with a DAO gun, there's no need ever thumb the hammer... and you never need to decock, either. <grin>

    I've had a number of DAO guns, and eventually got rid of all of them. (That included a Sphinx DAO which had a marvelous trigger.) Just don't like that trigger mechanism...

    The SIG DAK trigger seems to offer a nice compromise -- the only one of those that I owned had a terrible trigger, but I've shot others that were very nice. (Mine, a 239 wasn't -- and I didn't like the gun enough to bother with getting the trigger smoothed.)
  16. 9mmepiphany

    9mmepiphany Moderator

    You're confusing the terms "thumb the hammer" and "thumb back" (the hammer). The second term was originally phrased as thumbing the hammer back.

    The two terms, in the quotes, have completely opposite meanings. One means to stabilize the hammer from moving, while the other means to manually move the hammer
  17. Walt Sherrill

    Walt Sherrill Well-Known Member

    You're right -- I confused the terms.

    That's probably because I had never seen or heard the term THUMB THE HAMMER used in the manner you describe -- as a safety precaution to avoid hammer movement while holstering.

    Why would you do that?

    Unless your finger is in the trigger guard, it seems a unnecessary safety precaution, as the hammer can only COME back with a trigger press.
  18. allaroundhunter

    allaroundhunter Well-Known Member

    I will never have a problem with anyone taking extra safety precautions when it comes to something that is very capable of causing a fatal injury.

    Also, if you use a holster with a retention strap it could get caught in the trigger guard as well.
  19. Walt Sherrill

    Walt Sherrill Well-Known Member

    You could also turn in a circle three times before holstering, but that doesn't mean that doing so is actually a "safety" precaution or will actually make the process more safe.

    Your examples almost far-fetched: if the trigger is so light that a retention strap could cause a problem, then 1) THE STRAP ITSELF is a safety issue, 2) the trigger is just too light, or 3) the shooter isn't paying attention. A much better safety precaution would be to just be sure the strap (and holster) is clear before holstering the gun.

    I've been through a few courses, over the years, and have not seen this particular "hammer thumbing" method presented as a proper gun handling technique. Like you, I'm not against safety precautions, but I want to be sure they're actually doing something. It's not clear, to me, that this one is doing something that isn't better done in a different way.

    Last edited: Apr 11, 2012
  20. allaroundhunter

    allaroundhunter Well-Known Member

    Walt, do accidents happen?

    Can a foreign object get inside of a trigger guard while holstering?
    If so, will turning in circles 3 times alert you to the fact that something bad is about to happen? Will thumbing the hammer to give you a physical sense that the trigger is being manipulated alert you?

    No, thumbing the hammer is not a substitute for visually checking that there is nothing foreign in the trigger guard, but it is not a bad practice even when you can visually check that it seems safe.

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