Handguns of the elite?
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Ala Dan
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I believe the SIG-Sauer P226 is still in use by the
U.S. Navy Seal Teams and the British SAS; and the P228
is in use by U.S. Navy Intelligence and the U.S. Army C.I.D.
unit's.
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U.S. Navy Seal Teams and the British SAS; and the P228
is in use by U.S. Navy Intelligence and the U.S. Army C.I.D.
unit's.
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Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
dacinokc
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SAS also has a stable of HP-35s still. In the US, SOCOM did the famous trials resulting in the acquisition of the MK23 H&K. While many units have them and use them, no one solely uses the MK 23. The Combat Applications Group made a large purchase of Wilson built 45s, and still uses them as primary sidearms of choice. The Berretta M9 is widely trained with due to its use throughout the services now, and is used by Rangers.
The GsG9 also uses Sigs and Walthers, and still has a goodly inventory of S&W revolvers for use as needed.
One of the points of truly small elite units is that within the constraint of required consistency of what is carried in an operation, they have extreme flexability to use the specifc right tools for the job.
The GsG9 also uses Sigs and Walthers, and still has a goodly inventory of S&W revolvers for use as needed.
One of the points of truly small elite units is that within the constraint of required consistency of what is carried in an operation, they have extreme flexability to use the specifc right tools for the job.
Rob96
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All of the different photos from The War on Terrorism, show Army SF guys carrying Berettas, Seals carrying Sigs, Air Force spec op guys with Berettas.
Glockorama
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I've seen pics of Russian Spetznas units with CZ-75's in SOF. I don't think they are standard issue (probably Maks), but there were several pics of different soldiers and all but 1 had a CZ. I think the Isreali's use thier CZ clones as well.
para.2
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SFOD-D uses 1911-A1s. Not sure who builds them.
dacinokc
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Rob 96, one of the best photos after the conclusion of the active campagin was of a US SF operator after the Karza assasination attempt- he was carry a M-4 Carbine, and had a Sig 228- the M11 on his belt along with a grenade or two! He had is shirt on his head as a turban,and had full whiskers. After the shots went public some genus in command required everyone to go clean shaven! Apparently someone who never had to live with Indiginious folks and make a go of it!
Para.2, for the most part everyone has different names than you might think. There is no org chart anywhere that actually has Delta on it.
When they recruit internally to the Military, they do call it SFOD-D, but the specific group most think of when discussing them is the Combat Applications Group (CAG) which is the active core of the detachment.
It is very much like how what used to be refered to as Seal Team Six is now known in the services as the Naval Special Warfare Development Group (DSWDG) to make the lives of operators a little easier.
The 45s were wilsons.
Para.2, for the most part everyone has different names than you might think. There is no org chart anywhere that actually has Delta on it.
When they recruit internally to the Military, they do call it SFOD-D, but the specific group most think of when discussing them is the Combat Applications Group (CAG) which is the active core of the detachment.
It is very much like how what used to be refered to as Seal Team Six is now known in the services as the Naval Special Warfare Development Group (DSWDG) to make the lives of operators a little easier.
The 45s were wilsons.
Admiral Thrawn
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Yes dacinokc, i've seen those exact pictures in a SOF magazine issue I just bought today...
In the caption of the guy with a grenade on his belt, it said something about this being used if a crowd tried to charge them...
In the caption of the guy with a grenade on his belt, it said something about this being used if a crowd tried to charge them...
Rob96
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I saw that pic also. Seem to remember it being stated in the article that he was a Navy Seal.
Rob96
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I haven't heard anyhing about USAF op's guys being asigned to dignitary protection. From what I have read , it seems to be a job reserved for the Army SF/ Delta, and Seal Team 6.
Rob96
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OK, went and re-checked the SOF article on the Karzai attempt. The operator is a member of Seal Team 6 with a M11 on his belt and a grenade. Also has a 10.5" barreled M4.
Rob96
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Israeli SF uses Sig 226/228 and the Glock 17/19, according to www.isayeret.com
Kahr carrier
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The CHP is using S&W.
dacinokc
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My bad! Sorry Rob96, DSWDG, not a CAG!
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denfoote
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Hey, I use a Kahr MK9 Elite and I think I'm special!! So does my wife.
Rob96
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S&W? Doesn't Seals use S&W 66's or 686's for certain op's?
dacinokc
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They may have moved to the 686, but you are right, they did at least at one time have a good inventory of the 66- the stainless gun was ideal for saltwater enviormental use. SF used them in the tropics for the same reason.
Frohickey
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Close shave for special ops forces
That would be Maj. Gen. Geoff Lambert, who clamped down on the relaxed grooming standards for special ops forces in Afghanistan.
That would be Maj. Gen. Geoff Lambert, who clamped down on the relaxed grooming standards for special ops forces in Afghanistan.
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KZ45, USP45C, Beretta 92G Elite II and P7M8.
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Island Beretta
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BHP was most common..for most changing out the Beretta 92, or some derivative thereof, followed by Glock is the most popular. Sig is seeing some selections here and there but will always be a bridesmaid to Beretta!!
One big advantage of the Beretta is how effectively it can be suppressed. It is also made to go straight from the factory into the battlefield and function..The very heavy hammer strike ensures positive ignition on sometimes tough primer head NATO rounds..it has a 50 yd effective range that facilitates one weapon carry like for flight crews etc.... (hey, I gotta stop!!). okay a couple more.. If a trigger spring breakage occur you can reset the drawbar yourself, it facilitates direct chamber load without damage to the extractor, the locking block if its breaks is still good for a couple hundred more rounds (okay, that's it).. TRULY A TACTICAL PISTOL!!
One big advantage of the Beretta is how effectively it can be suppressed. It is also made to go straight from the factory into the battlefield and function..The very heavy hammer strike ensures positive ignition on sometimes tough primer head NATO rounds..it has a 50 yd effective range that facilitates one weapon carry like for flight crews etc....
(hey, I gotta stop!!). okay a couple more.. If a trigger spring breakage occur you can reset the drawbar yourself, it facilitates direct chamber load without damage to the extractor, the locking block if its breaks is still good for a couple hundred more rounds (okay, that's it).. TRULY A TACTICAL PISTOL!!PATH
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What! No mention of elitr mall ninjas!
Orion
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Gee, I think someones a little stuck on the Italian version of the Helwan.
I think Most Elite Forces are using either the Sig or the 1911 with a few BHP's thrown in there as well.. There may be some other pistols in use out there but I don't know.
I think Most Elite Forces are using either the Sig or the 1911 with a few BHP's thrown in there as well.. There may be some other pistols in use out there but I don't know.
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