Have the anti-gunners already won?

[Derek Zeanah]

That creates privacy issues if anyone can access the system and I would prefer the BGCs not be tied to purchases. Most states issue some form of photo ID. Just add a code indicating the person is cleared to purchase a firearm.

That works too. I'm not a fan of the concept, but to remove the 4473's, get rid of the "sporting purposes" clause, allow catalog sales and internet sales direct to the buyer (after the UBC, of course), do away with the machine gun registry, get rid of the stupid taxes on suppressors, full-auto, destructive devices, and SBRs?

You bet I'd make that trade. I'd make it yesterday.

 

[Solo]

Like I posted on page 3, there was a thorough poll done on exactly what age demographic was most anti-assault weapon and it turns out it's the 54+ age demographic, while the youngest demographic was most supportive of ownership of assault weapons. That is completely contrary to the "kids today" attitude and blaming the youngest generation as the cause of all ills in society. Which age demographic do you think is the wealthiest and most influential? It's not those entering the workforce for the first time. Which age demographic is the one who'll boot any Congressman out if they touch Medicare or Medicade? It's not 20-somethings. The age of the anti-gun legislators who keep pushing these anti-gun bills year after year?

Interesting; does that mean when the younger generation gets older, we could see a swing in the other direction when it comes to things such as assault weapon bans?

 

[michaelbsc]

Interesting; does that mean when the younger generation gets older, we could see a swing in the other direction when it comes to things such as assault weapon bans?

Not if it's gone already. If we don't hold the line for them now it will be a memory in a scrap book.

So do it for the children.

 

[Alaska444]

Not if it's gone already. If we don't hold the line for them now it will be a memory in a scrap book.

So do it for the children.

Yes, we have already lost much since I was a kid. To lose any more is reprehensible. However, what are the foundations of our rights? The founding fathers had unity on that issue. It seems that we have already lost that common understanding and in such, that is the greatest threat to keeping those rights.

 

[JRH6856]

It seems that we have already lost that common understanding and in such, that is the greatest threat to keeping those rights.

When that common understanding is lost, one can either seek to restore it (in vain unless the desire is mutual) or seek the obvious alternative solution. For this, I refer you to the first paragraph of the US Declaration of Independence.

 

[joeschmoe]

Heller is one of those wonderful SCOTUS rulings that closes a door while opening a window.

AWB II is not yet decided conclusively, CCW, Reciprocity, National parks carry, Stand your ground laws are all laws that are subject to being repealed at the state level and in some cases, superseded at the federal level.

Executive orders? Well, the term is young. This is not the time for counting chickens.

It's time to learn how our government works.
EO's can't change any of those things. Congress can't pass sweeping bans or confiscations.
Federal power in this area has gone about as far as it can. Obama and company see the writting on the wall and are moving to a campaign to get the states to do what they cannot do on a federal level. They are little more than cheerleaders for the losing team. They have already lost, the clock is running out for them to try some Hail Mary's. They will fail, again.

 

[joeschmoe]

Yes, we have already lost much since I was a kid.

Really? Like what?

 

[55flhhd]

I'm old enough to remember

When I was a kid the Sears catalog that got sent out before Christmas had page after page of guns in it. Could be ordered in the mail. No ffl, no 4473direct delivery to your door. I used to cut out the gun pictures and make a scrap book out of them, there were so many. They called it the big book, it was 2-3 inches thick. In the late sixties I bought my own 22 ammo, I was under 16. Bought in the Gambles hardware store.

 

[9MMare]

Really? Like what?

Open space

 

[Warp]

It's time to learn how our government works.
EO's can't change any of those things. Congress can't pass sweeping bans or confiscations.
Federal power in this area has gone about as far as it can. Obama and company see the writting on the wall and are moving to a campaign to get the states to do what they cannot do on a federal level. They are little more than cheerleaders for the losing team. They have already lost, the clock is running out for them to try some Hail Mary's. They will fail, again.

They can and have. Look to the 1994 ban as the biggest example.

Now, is it Constitutional for them to do so? Technically that is up to the Supreme Court to decide.

Is it Right for them to do so? That is for the people to decide.

 

[Alaska444]

Really? Like what?

Go live in CA, NY, MA, NJ, IL to speak of a few and know what we had when I was a kid, yes, we have lost much, but I seriously doubt I will change your mind about anything. You still operate under the delusion that the constitution has the power it once did. It doesn't because the politicians are seeking the power that the constitution prohibits and they keep gaining every year and the constitution keeps losing a bit more of its power. Ask the states how the 9th and 10th are working for them now.

In any case, did you not read what I posted previously about buying handgun ammo at age 9 and my own shotgun at age 16 in the Kittery Trading post in about 1974? America has LOST MUCH since I was a kid that the latest generation shall NEVER experience as we did. Yes, we have lost much.

 

[Robert]

Oh enough. The fight is not over, not yet anyway. There is still a lot left to be done. Writing, calling and protesting can still make us heard. To say that we have lost little to nothing is just silly. But we have also gained much, well in the last few years. Let's take a deep breath and call this one done.