Have video games hurt the reputation of shotguns?

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I shoot Sporting Clays in the sub gauge division competition, I break clays wih a 20ga 2 3/4” at 75 yards, with 7 1/2 size shot, a long shot, but doable……
I have killed 5 foxes now at 75 yards with #3 Buck in my 20ga with an IC choke. It covers them tip of tail to tip of nose with #3 buck, 24 pellets in a 3” shell. #3 Buck is 24 cal, in a 22” 391, the #3 Buck are quite impressive.
This is my fox, yote getter with the mag light 2382C72C-EF9F-44EF-8795-9CD60AE65A31.jpeg :
 
Hollywood... long before video games and the Internet. The antis get their ideas of what shotguns and other guns can do from movies and video games as well.

By the way, I've never played computer video games in my life. Waste of time...
 
Hollywood... long before video games and the Internet. The antis get their ideas of what shotguns and other guns can do from movies and video games as well.

By the way, I've never played computer video games in my life. Waste of time...
"Waste of time"

I'm paying my University because I play in tournaments. That's about 10k$ solely for tuition, books and supplies. The rest of what I make through odd jobs is for myself. Because of this, no student loans. Do you make money by reading books, or watching TV? Maybe by replying to forum messages? Not to mention that if it weren't to video games, I wouldn't be into guns at all. They were a very taboo subject in my household.

But you're right, Hollywood is the initial culprit. I have old books and comic books from the 60's , about cowpoke stories, and they're relatively okay when it comes the guns. They're still tall tales though, and we really should remember that. They're subject to whatever rules their artists want.
 
In my state you can't use a Rifle in deer season in most of the state. Slug guns are most certainly not specialty down there. You see 10 slug guns to one smooth bore.

First shotgun I ever bought was an 835 ultimag from Walmart. Came with both barrels. Ive never mounted the slug barrel

It seems to me that the heavier the shot or slug, the longer the effective range will be.

I didn't use to be much into shotguns, but now I have a 12 ga Mossberg, model 835 with a vent rib barrel and I believe 5 choke tubes.
I also have the rifled slug barrel and I can literally shoot any 12 ga ammo made.
It is a very versatile gun.
One comment though, when I first bought the gun I also bought a box of 5, 3-1/2" #4 shot shells, I still have 3 of them, ouch. You need a padded shooting jacket when you shoot them or at least I do.

I also have a 12 ga. Mossberg 500 with a 20" plain barrel and 7+1 magazine tube. The fore arm has a built-in light and strobe. I consider it my zombie gun for the things the 835 might not be as good for.

And last but not least is my 20 ga. Stouger coach gun with 20" barrels just for fun when I shoot skeet, yes, and it does a fine job.
 
Before I could agree or disagree with the idea that video games are responsible for any loss in popularity of shotguns, I'd want to know where the creators of those games got the information they used during development.

Did they work on first-hand experience, or previous stereotypes they encountered? Were they charged with historic and realistic accuracy or making an entertaining product? Hopefully most people are able to discern that gaming, no matter how realistic, isn't reality.

I'd say video games get a smaller share of blame in comparison to Hollywood, in terms of gun mis-characterizations.
 
Yay! Duck hunter!

Higgens in “Magnum” ( the one the only the original) said he took a man in NorthAfrica just over 100yards

once upon a Saturday Morning We we’re opening a range and a ten inch steel gong had been hung 100 yards away. Someone commented shooting a “riot gun” at that target was pointless. I picked up my Mossberg 12 gauge 18.5 inch smooth bore GR 500 and fired one 2&3/4 inch #1Buck.

the stand and plate disappeared in a cloud of dust though when the dust cleared the plate was still swinging from the hits. The plate owner felt I had three hits. Not fantastic, but more than most folk expected.

Personally I would not want to soak up three pieces of #1 Buck that had enough energy to swing that plate.

would I tell folks a 12 gauge shotgun with “Normal” ammo from the 1990’s would be the weapon of choice to 100 yards, nope. But if I had to take the shot I might.

I will say some of the more modern controlled flight ammo delivers denser patterns at longer range than the stuff I grew up shooting.

Even if I had Plain Jane foster slugs in that Smooth bore GR 500 you would not want to start a gun fight inside 150 yards of this old man!

-kBob
 
"Waste of time"

I'm paying my University because I play in tournaments. That's about 10k$ solely for tuition, books and supplies. The rest of what I make through odd jobs is for myself. Because of this, no student loans. Do you make money by reading books, or watching TV? Maybe by replying to forum messages? Not to mention that if it weren't to video games, I wouldn't be into guns at all. They were a very taboo subject in my household.

But you're right, Hollywood is the initial culprit. I have old books and comic books from the 60's , about cowpoke stories, and they're relatively okay when it comes the guns. They're still tall tales though, and we really should remember that. They're subject to whatever rules their artists want.

YES! WASTE OF TIME!

Sorry, but I'm a Baby Boomer who became acquainted with firearms like a real man should... by using them.... a tradition passed down to me by my father. I know there are a lot of people on web forums who've never even handled a firearm except virtually through video games. They have my sympathy.

I'm a network admin and all around computer tech sort , but I never have and never will play video games. I put myself through college mostly through high IQ scholarships. Graduated with honors... straight A in every subject, often 100% for all course work, including the final. When I die I'm donating my brain to science. Maybe even before I die. I have to think on it a bit more.

PS: Video games will turn your brain into Swiss cheese...
 
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Video gaming is simply a plague upon society. I've played them over the years and my kids are still way too into them.
I personally know so many younger people where gaming has completely usurped their existence
in the real world. Gaming can be as addictive as Crack or Methamphetamine according to the NIH and WHO.
"The World Health Organization [WHO] (2018) has recently included “gaming disorders” in the list of mental health conditions.
According to WHO this affliction is a “persistent or recurrent behavior pattern of sufficient severity to result in significant impairment
in personal, family, social, educational, occupational or other important areas of functioning.”

So for me, the question of if gaming has hurt the reputation of the Shotgun is moot, the real concern should be why do so many people
indulge in gaming to the point of unhealthiness? Just like any other addiction, when a Dopamine feedback loop takes over your normal existence,
nothing good will ever come of it. I'm blessed to have not been born with an addictive personality but it seems like
in 2022, so many people want to escape reality through entertainment, drugs, alcohol, sex addiction, it's pretty sad and pathetic
on where we have ended up as a country.

(Steps down off of soapbox)
 
Lots of good opinions in here, and I appreciate all the replies. It's a topic that's intrigued me for years. I've really started becoming more of a shotgun guy than a rifle guy over the past few months, and I've really started noticing how these ridiculous ideas about shotguns are much more common than I thought.

For example...I posted a picture of a new box fed semi auto 12ga on Facebook recently. Several people messaged me about selling it. Not a single person was interested in it after realizing it was a shotgun and not a rifle. That's just amusing to me.
 
so many people want to escape reality through entertainment, drugs, alcohol, sex addiction
Or shooting, hunting, reloading, collecting guns.
By definition, any activity we partake in that isn't absolutely essential to our survival is merely a hobby.
Agree that obsessive behavior with any of them is hazardous. Never was a gamer. I always enjoyed more physical activity and played a lot of sports. Put a ton of effort in to being the best I could be, which was considered pretty normal by the people that had the same interests.

People I knew who were into gaming or other things looked at me like I had a problem.

People who aren't into firearms look at most of us here like we have problems.
 
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YES! WASTE OF TIME!

Sorry, but I'm a Baby Boomer who became acquainted with firearms like a real man should... by using them.... a tradition passed down to me by my father. I know there are a lot of people on web forums who've never even handled a firearm except virtually through video games. They have my sympathy.

I'm a network admin and all around computer tech sort , but I never have and never will play video games. I put myself through college mostly through high IQ scholarships. Graduated with honors... straight A in every subject, often 100% for all course work, including the final. When I die I'm donating my brain to science. Maybe even before I die. I have to think on it a bit more.

PS: Video games will turn your brain into Swiss cheese...
My father is a Red Veteran from the invasion of '86. He was awarded The Order of Glory for his service. Severe PTSD, can't be around firearms else it flares up. Actually, I haven't seen him in a decade because his PTSD flares up over the desert. So no guns around him.

My mother's side ,plagued by gun violence, mostly due to the cartels around the Juarez-El Paso border. I grew up in Colonia del Carmen, Calle Cromo. Una Colonia brava de aquellos tiempos. So of course, after losing her brother and several uncles to gun violence, no guns on her side.

So I'm sorry I wasn't able to grow up with like you. Sorry I didn't have a man in the house to teach me about guns like you did. No, I had to teach myself that. I taught myself how to hold a rifle, how to hold a pistol, how to use the sights and all that because I had absolutely nobody to teach me. I'm sorry I didn't grow up in a perfect 2A family like yours. Again, games and movies were my only exposure until I bought my SKS. If it weren't for them, I'd probably still thinks guns killed.

Sorry you couldn't pay for school while having fun ,like I am. I too have a 4.0 in my EE courses and Mathematical Science Degree. Graduated highschool with honors too. And I still play videogames on a daily too.

Videogames are like smoking and drinking. Bad for the body, great for the soul. You ever have a beer or a smoke after a stressful day? Y'know how bad things can happen if you drink too much? Same thing with video games. Play too much, your brian'll turn to swiss cheese. Do it in moderation, and it's not so bad.
 
My father is a Red Veteran from the invasion of '86. He was awarded The Order of Glory for his service. Severe PTSD, can't be around firearms else it flares up. Actually, I haven't seen him in a decade because his PTSD flares up over the desert. So no guns around him.

My mother's side ,plagued by gun violence, mostly due to the cartels around the Juarez-El Paso border. I grew up in Colonia del Carmen, Calle Cromo. Una Colonia brava de aquellos tiempos. So of course, after losing her brother and several uncles to gun violence, no guns on her side.

So I'm sorry I wasn't able to grow up with like you. Sorry I didn't have a man in the house to teach me about guns like you did. No, I had to teach myself that. I taught myself how to hold a rifle, how to hold a pistol, how to use the sights and all that because I had absolutely nobody to teach me. I'm sorry I didn't grow up in a perfect 2A family like yours. Again, games and movies were my only exposure until I bought my SKS. If it weren't for them, I'd probably still thinks guns killed.

Sorry you couldn't pay for school while having fun ,like I am. I too have a 4.0 in my EE courses and Mathematical Science Degree. Graduated highschool with honors too. And I still play videogames on a daily too.

Videogames are like smoking and drinking. Bad for the body, great for the soul. You ever have a beer or a smoke after a stressful day? Y'know how bad things can happen if you drink too much? Same thing with video games. Play too much, your brian'll turn to swiss cheese. Do it in moderation, and it's not so bad.

Sorry to hear about your family issues. My dad was a vet as well from a generation that didn't recognize or treat PTSD. They self-medicated with alcohol.

Umm...

Ok, you're forgiven. But video games aren't your only alternative. They never were.

Who said I wasn't having any fun in school? I was the life of the party in my college days. Speaking of other addictive substances you mentioned, I never drank or smoked either and was still the life of the party.

I never did any recreational drugs. I consider computer video games to have similar long term negative effects on the mind and body as recreational drugs that will catch up with you sooner or later.

My academic focus was in the behavioral sciences, including criminal justice/police science. The topic of video games and violent video games in particular came up quite a bit, including quite a hard look into the subject in a "Deviant Behavior" psychology class.

My drugs of choice were fast cars, girls, working out, running, and the martial arts, and of course firearms, among other things.

I find video games to be excruciatingly BORING !!!

Very few people have a great home life growing up. Mine was no picnic. I just had a dad and other mentors who taught me the ins and outs of responsible firearm ownership.

Well anyway, congrats on maintaining your 4/4. Keep up the good work...
 
Well, as others have noted there has ALWAYS been plenty of crazy ideas of what guns could and could not do even before Hollywood. The television and film industry only amplified that - not just about guns, but pretty much everything!

Video games? I lost interest in them when I got my first modem to connect to the world, but since they 80's I've known plenty who played from a little to a foolishly large amount. I don't think they did much to worsen or improve the non-gun owning public's idea of what guns can and cannot do. In fact, I think gun store commandos are responsible for more misinformation than video games since people often go there looking for real knowledge only to unwittingly believe a bunch of hooey told to them by someone behind the counter or sitting on a stool in front. We've all seen that.

And effective shotgun range depends on what one thinks "effective" means. I would not shoot at a deer 110 yards away with any sort of buckshot no matter how it was loaded. Many years ago my grandfather did just that with a load of 000 buck. A single pellet hit it in the spine to drop it in its tracks. The whole club gave him the what-for about that, but so far as he was concerned it had been a good shot. Of course his chances of ever repeating such a kill under those circumstances were about nil, but there it was. In a combat situation if my opponent were that far out and a shotgun was the best weapon I had I'd take that shot even though it would be most effective at 50 yds or less.

Relative to what Hollywood has been leading people to believe for more than a century now I think the influence of video games is quite small.
 
There's another dimension you might consider here concerning the ignorance and lower general interest in shotgunning; namely, that shotgunning is the least accessible form of shooting to the uninitiated.

Things to consider:

First, shotguns aren't casual range plinkers -- which is the kind of shooting that most shooters do or have access to. You can take a rifle or pistol to the range, set up a few sheets of paper on a cardboard panel, and have a jolly good casual time trying to get more accurate. Not so much with a shotgun. You might pattern it a few times, or you might find your zero for deer slugs, but they aren't really casual plinkers.

This leads into the next point, which is that shotgun shooting is more organized shooting. Whether it's hunting, clay birds, or some sort of tactical competition-based shooting, shotgunning caters to organized shooting sports. Most of us live in cities these days, and most millennials who own guns I would venture to say have never been hunting, or were never taught how. This means their exposure to shotguns growing up will have been limited, and unless they pursue shooting with clubs or at scheduled outings, they won't really have the opportunity to really practice shotgunning.

Lastly, if you want to shoot shotguns casually, casual shotgunning requires land -- which most folks these days simply don't have. Want to go shoot some pop cans in a ditch somewhere? Knock yourself out, but you aren't going to be doing it at a rifle range.

I've been shooting my whole life. I grew up in a shooting family, doing handloading with my dad and grandpa, etc. Did junior rifle club as a kid, have shot in some CMP matches, cowboy action, etc. But 95% of my shooting has been rifle and pistol. The essential reasons for this are that my dad wasn't a hunter, and all of my shooting has been on ranges. My dad, my brother, and I used to do some casual clay bird throwing when the range was quiet on a weekday evening, and cowboy action called for a little shotgunning, but mostly stationary still targets. Most of my shooting nowadays is at a local 15 yard indoor range, where all I can shoot is rimfire and pistol calibers. Without access to land, I have to drive a solid 45 minutes or more to get to a range where I could do any shotgunning or high power rifle shooting. This is just the reality of being a city dweller, I think.

In fact, get this. I have a 12 ga. Stoeger SXS that I've owned for about a year. I've even done some work to it, slicking up the action, even preemptively replaced the notoriously weak firing pins with stronger ones. But wouldn't you know it, I've yet to actually fire the damn thing with 12 ga. shells. I've only fired it with .22LR chamber inserts. :D

I've tried to get into hunting, but I have found it very difficult to do simply because I can't get anyone to take me/teach me -- and this isn't because I'm just an insufferable jerk, I don't think. Rather, it's because I just don't know many people in my real life circles who are hunters, and the ones who are are well established in a particular routine with a particular party on particular land, etc. It just seems tough to get into. I've even offered to just go along as kid brother with no expectation to shoot -- I literally just want to tag along and learn. Never seems to materialize. I can watch Youtube videos about how to process a carcass, etc, but I remain convinced that learning to hunt is the kind of skill that gets passed on through doing it with someone. Someone who knows the local land; which public grounds to avoid; folks who have a good relationship with a local farmer who allows them to use their land, etc. As it stands, I've been squirrel hunting precisely once with a friend. We walked around getting bit up by mosquitos for a few hours on public land, and saw no squirrels.

Anyway, back to shotguns. I don't think it all has to do with video games. It has to do with dynamics of urban life, and all that it entails. Video games is another downstream result of society's migration to cities. We have a whole lot of testosterone and not a lot to do with it. There is no frontier to tame. We have running water and food no further than the corner grocery store or online delivery order. There aren't any more "dragons to slay," so we create our own imaginary ones. City living -- for all of its conveniences and comforts -- has created a rather sedentary and docile life for most men of my generation, and a lot of men just don't know what to do with themselves. This problem is exacerbated by fatherlessness in our society, etc. It's a topic we could discuss for many hours, and only scratch the surface. I will say that you older dudes shouldn't make the mistake of condemning video gamers, as though your own vices somehow give you any moral high ground.

In conclusion, I think it will remain a trend that as folks continue to grow up and live in cities, shotgunning will continue to decline, while rifle and pistol interest will remain pretty steady.
 
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The video games probably got it from westerns. Only the stagecoach driver would use a shotgun and they were only good for snakes at that distance.

Our hero, could shoot the eye out of a tic at a 1000 yards with his Peacemaker though…
 
In fact, I think gun store commandos are responsible for more misinformation than video games since people often go there looking for real knowledge only to unwittingly believe a bunch of hooey told to them by someone behind the counter or sitting on a stool in front. We've all seen that..

So sad because so true.
 
First, shotguns aren't casual range plinkers -- which is the kind of shooting that most shooters do or have access to. You can take a rifle or pistol to the range, set up a few sheets of paper on a cardboard panel, and have a jolly good casual time trying to get more accurate. Not so much with a shotgun. You might pattern it a few times, or you might find your zero for deer slugs, but they aren't really casual plinkers.
Respectfully disagree -- I have had hours of fun shooting clays with a manual thrower. It's generally a buddy activity, using a hand-thrower or one of those 3/4-cock manual machines, but you can even do it solo using a pedal-operated thrower.
 
Respectfully disagree -- I have had hours of fun shooting clays with a manual thrower. It's generally a buddy activity, using a hand-thrower or one of those 3/4-cock manual machines, but you can even do it solo using a pedal-operated thrower.

Your reply kinda proves my point. You generally need multiple people; you need the right space to do it; the right equipment.

Many ranges offer no place to do solo clay bird shooting unless you have the range to yourself.
 
Your reply kinda proves my point. You generally need multiple people; you need the right space to do it; the right equipment.

Many ranges offer no place to do solo clay bird shooting unless you have the range to yourself.
Yeah, it takes a bit more equipment than plinking with a .22, true. I guess I'm lucky to belong to a club that is very sparsely populated ... ;)
 
Of course it's old guys who've never played video games to spew BS from 30+ years ago that playing video games will "turn your brain into swiss cheese" or are a waste of time. Video games are entertainment, no different from TV, movies, sports, music, shooting, sex, etc. I don't play games near as much as I did as a teen, but I still play them less now for true enjoyment, but more to experience them as when I boot up a 30 year old Zelda game I'm sent back to what was cutting edge 30 years ago or for Grand Theft Auto 3 I'm instantly transported back to 2001 and 2002 where I'd get home from school and vent my frustrations on the unsuspecting pedestrians of Liberty City.

New games today, while they look way better than they did 20 years ago, are absolutely terrible in quality and innovation. I don't play them much anymore at least outside of Red Dead 2. If I play games now it's usually stuff from the 90s and 00s that I didn't play as a kid and because they're so old I spend almost nothing on them. People paying $800 for a PS5 today just to play Call of Duty or Halo (Xbox, I know) are crazy.
 
As a GOD fearing Christian man, much of what I’ve read in this thread has confused me and made me sad that our youthes are exposed to this kind of thing instead of growing up and living outside in the real world.
 
Of course it's old guys who've never played video games
It's more of an anti-tech outlook in general. Video games, cell phones, internet, new vehicles.
I've come to believe it's sour grapes from guys that had to steal a Playboy and hide it under their mattress to see boobies when they were kids.
Now that it's only a click away, they're bitter. Today's kids have it too easy. :thumbup:
 
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