Help-bought a gun online in CA.

[Victor1Echo]

I bought a rifle (10/22) off of a member on this site, and had him send it to an FFL I know. It shows up at the FFL's and he freaks because it came from a private party. He said he needed a DOJ number. I did a little research on this beforehand, and I was under the impression that only if you bought a gun from a dealer that you needed a DOJ number. Can someone with experience give me some advice. I honestly do not know why the dealer just did not just cal the DOJ and ask them but he didn't.
Thanks

 

[Quiet]

The CFLC does not apply to non-FFL dealers.
A private party does not need to obtain a verification number prior to shipping a firearm to a CA FFL dealer.

CA DOJ BOF says...
I am not an FFL but I want to ship a firearm to a California FFL. Do I have to obtain a Firearms Shipment Approval number before shipping a firearm to California?
No. The requirement to obtain a Firearms Shipment Approval number only applies to holders of valid FFLs.


Penal Code 12072
(f)(1) (A) Commencing July 1, 2008, a person who is licensed pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code may not deliver, sell, or transfer a firearm to a person in California who is licensed pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code unless, prior to delivery, the person intending to deliver, sell, or transfer the firearm obtains a verification number via the Internet for the intended delivery, sale, or transfer, from the department. If Internet service is unavailable to either the department of the licensee due to a technical or other malfunction, or a federal firearms licensee who is located outside California does not possess a computer or have Internet access, alternate means of communication, including facsimile or telephone, shall be made available for a licensee to obtain a verification number in order to comply with this section. This subdivision shall not apply to the delivery, sale, or transfer of a short-barreled rifle, or short-barreled shotgun, as defined in Section 12020, or to a machinegun as defined in Section 12200, or to an assault weapon as defined in Sections 12276, 12276.1, and 12276.5.
(B) For every identification number request received pursuant to this section, the department shall determine whether the intended recipient is on the centralized list of firearms dealers pursuant to this section, or the centralized list of exempted federal firearms licensees pursuant to subdivision (a) of Section 12083, or the centralized list of firearms manufacturers pursuant to subdivision (f) of Section 12086.
(C) If the department finds that the intended recipient is on one of these lists, the department shall issue to the inquiring party, a unique identification number for the intended delivery, sale, or transfer. In addition to the unique verification number, the department may provide to the inquiring party information necessary for determining the eligibility of the intended recipient to receive the firearm.
The person intending to deliver, sell, or transfer the firearm shall provide the unique verification number to the recipient along with the firearms upon delivery, in a manner to be determined by the department.
(D) If the department finds that the intended recipient is not on one of these lists, the department shall notify the inquiring party that the intended recipient is ineligible to receive the firearm.
(E) The department shall prescribe the manner in which the verification numbers may be requested via the Internet, or by alternate means of communication, such as by facsimile or telephone, including all required enrollment information and procedures.

 

[TonyDedo]

Some FFLs do not like to accept transfers from non FFL sources. It's not against the law, but often times an FFL will just tell you it is because you're less likely to argue with him.

You're either going to have to convince him to transfer it to you, ship it back to the seller, or you can send it to my FFL

 

[Victor1Echo]

Thanks Quiet!
I was pretty sure I read this. I will print it out for him tommorrow. I assumed that the transfer would just be filled out as a private party? Thanks again.

 

[NavyLCDR]

It is my understanding that an FFL in California cannot perform the transfer as a private party transfer because the California computer system only lets them put in California driver's licenses as the identification of the seller in a private party transaction. The FFL instead has to enter the gun into his inventory system as if he, himself obtained that gun from the out of state party and then transfers it to you as if you obtained (bought) the gun from him.

This has nothing to do, though, with the CFLC number and is also only what I have read on the internet and have not researched it in detail.

 

[billwiese]

NavyLT,

You are correct, though that isn't significant for this particular matter.

Really, "PPT vs. regular transfer" is only an issue for non-Rostered handguns.

I will confirm that CFLC does not apply for indvidual-> CA FFL shipment, only FFL-> CA FFL shipment.



Bill Wiese
San Jose CA

 

[mgkdrgn]

The CFLC does not apply to non-FFL dealers.
A private party does not need to obtain a verification number prior to shipping a firearm to a CA FFL dealer.

CA DOJ BOF says...
I am not an FFL but I want to ship a firearm to a California FFL. Do I have to obtain a Firearms Shipment Approval number before shipping a firearm to California?
No. The requirement to obtain a Firearms Shipment Approval number only applies to holders of valid FFLs.

This strikes me as =VERY= odd (but hell, it -is- California)

Any "Joe Blow" can ship a firearm to a Calif FFL, but ANOTHER FFL needs to get permission??

 

[Bubbles]

Any "Joe Blow" can ship a firearm to a Calif FFL, but ANOTHER FFL needs to get permission??

Yes. An FFL outside of CA who wishes to ship a firearm to an FFL in CA needs to register with the CA DoJ CFLC and print out a "permission slip" that ships with each gun.

We are registered and will do it, but after getting set up I can see why other FFL's don't want to deal with the hassle. We've had two instances where we've been ready to ship and the CFLC site has been offline for maintenance.

 

[mgkdrgn]

Yes. An FFL outside of CA who wishes to ship a firearm to an FFL in CA needs to register with the CA DoJ CFLC and print out a "permission slip" that ships with each gun.

We are registered and will do it, but after getting set up I can see why other FFL's don't want to deal with the hassle. We've had two instances where we've been ready to ship and the CFLC site has been offline for maintenance.

Ya, I know that, I'm an FFL registered with them too. But it does make you wonder just what on earth these clowns have in mind.

A Federal Licensed FFL has to get "permission", but any Joe off the street can ship with impunity.

 

[Victor1Echo]

Gentleman, these are all backdoor gun control laws. They infringe and harass since they cannot outright ban weapons.

 

[Yo Mama]

Can't the man just get his fricking gun!

+1 to victor1echo, my thoughts exactly.

 

[Gatorbait]

I haven't seen any distinction here between long guns and handguns. I had occasion to deal with the topic a few months ago when a relative in another state wanted to give me a handgun. I read up on it very carefully, read the regulations, read the rules of the various carriers, consulted an FFL who'd received a handgun for me from the distributor one time, and discussed it with the president of a reasonably prominent gun-owners' group. The long and short of it (play on words, Mrs. Grubner) is that they are very different worlds.

 

[NavyLCDR]

The answer to the OP's question is the same regardless of whether it is a rifle or a handgun.