DOUGLAS STOEVER
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my mossberg 500 is stuck, a shell is in backwards, I can not figure how to get it out
HELP mossberg 500 is stuck, shell in backwards
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scythefwd
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How did you get the lip of the shell into the chamber? I would take a wooden dowel, hollow out a bit in the center so that it misses the primer, and try to tap the shell out the way it went in, through the breach.
Fred Fuller
Moderator Emeritus
STOP!
Don't try to force the shell back out past the shell stops. NOT a good idea.
Best bet IMHO is to take off the magazine tube by carefully unscrewing it from the receiver, after you take the barrel off the gun. Note that the tube may be LocTited in place and you may need a strap wrench and vise to get it off.
If you don't feel comfortable doing this, seek help...
But DON'T FORCE anything, ESPECIALLY LIVE AMMO.
Object lesson here is that shotgun shells will load backwards into a tubular magazine just as easily as they will frontwards, and will completely tie up any repeater when this happens. Thus the big advantage of tubular magazine designs with full diameter magazine caps, offering a clean-out design. The fixed magazine tube of the Mossberg 500 is its major design disadvantage, as I so often say here...
lpl/nc
Don't try to force the shell back out past the shell stops. NOT a good idea.
Best bet IMHO is to take off the magazine tube by carefully unscrewing it from the receiver, after you take the barrel off the gun. Note that the tube may be LocTited in place and you may need a strap wrench and vise to get it off.
If you don't feel comfortable doing this, seek help...
But DON'T FORCE anything, ESPECIALLY LIVE AMMO.
Object lesson here is that shotgun shells will load backwards into a tubular magazine just as easily as they will frontwards, and will completely tie up any repeater when this happens. Thus the big advantage of tubular magazine designs with full diameter magazine caps, offering a clean-out design. The fixed magazine tube of the Mossberg 500 is its major design disadvantage, as I so often say here...
lpl/nc
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Sergeant Sabre
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If it's stuck in the magazine, follow Lee Lapin's advice.
If it's stuck in the chamber push it back out with a cleaning rod, carefully.
I've actually seen this happen a few times. When I was in the police academy training with everybody else on the shotgun, we had bone-heads that would load a shell in the magazine of their 870 backwards. I dunno how once can make that mistake, but they did. The shotgun worked, though. It fed the backwards shell into the chamber about half way and then the rim bound tightly against the chamber walls.
If it's stuck in the chamber push it back out with a cleaning rod, carefully.
I've actually seen this happen a few times. When I was in the police academy training with everybody else on the shotgun, we had bone-heads that would load a shell in the magazine of their 870 backwards. I dunno how once can make that mistake, but they did. The shotgun worked, though. It fed the backwards shell into the chamber about half way and then the rim bound tightly against the chamber walls.
Superlite27
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Something is raising RED FLAGS but I don't know what it is.
Is this the firearm you were planning on hunting snipe with in your 1 other thread?
How, exactly, do you get a shell to forcibly feed in backwards? There is a series of logical conclusions I am arriving at, and it scares me.
1) In order for a shell to be in the firearm backwards, IT MUST BE PLACED IN BACKWARDS. Shotgun shells don't just "flip around" on their own.
2) In order for it to become stuck, it must be FORCED.
3) I'm just curious if this Mossberg 500 is a pistol-grip model?
I dunno, but something is begging me to reccommend a good, solid firearms training course. Everyone, including myself, can always benefit by retaking a good training seminar from a reliable trainer every once in a while. I just finished a weekend of running through courses of fire at Point Blank here in Missouri. I picked up tons of pointers and tips that were very practical in real life.
You might want to consider something similar.
Is this the firearm you were planning on hunting snipe with in your 1 other thread?
How, exactly, do you get a shell to forcibly feed in backwards? There is a series of logical conclusions I am arriving at, and it scares me.
1) In order for a shell to be in the firearm backwards, IT MUST BE PLACED IN BACKWARDS. Shotgun shells don't just "flip around" on their own.
2) In order for it to become stuck, it must be FORCED.
3) I'm just curious if this Mossberg 500 is a pistol-grip model?
I dunno, but something is begging me to reccommend a good, solid firearms training course. Everyone, including myself, can always benefit by retaking a good training seminar from a reliable trainer every once in a while. I just finished a weekend of running through courses of fire at Point Blank here in Missouri. I picked up tons of pointers and tips that were very practical in real life.
You might want to consider something similar.
+1 on Lee Lapin's advice. Don't start banging on anything to try to fix the problem. Worst case, push the two pins out that hold in the trigger group and carefully pull the trigger group and interruptors out, as soon as you do that, the magazine will empty all the shells. The mag tube may be hard to unscrew on the 500. If it is in the chamber, use a plastic tube to tap the shell out, don't use a cleaning rod or you'll risk hitting the primer. I've never seen someone succeed in reverse chambering a shotgun though 
Fred Fuller
Moderator Emeritus
It may well be a better idea to try and remove the trigger plate as a first approach to clearing this jam. I don't have a Mossberg 500 handy, so this is based on exploded drawings rather than hands-on. It might be pretty exciting to try to do alone, a second pair of hands or a bench vise would be a big help.
I'm figuring the shell is stuck in the magazine with the head behind the shell stops and the body in the loading port. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Operating on that premise:
Do remove the barrel first, to make things a little more manageable and safer as well.
With the forearm moved back to the forward position/bolt fully forward, secure the receiver in a padded vise (or have a friend hold it) with the loading port up. Push the offending shell back up into the magazine tube and hold it there.
Remove the single cross pin that holds the trigger plate assembly in place, holding the shell in the magazine tube as this is done, to keep pressure off the shell stops.
Remove the trigger plate assy carefully. This will free the shell stops, which can then be removed. The shell should still be held in the magazine tube to keep pressure off the shell stops as this is done.
With the shell stops out of the gun, carefully control the release of the shell from the magazine tube. That will clear the jam.
Reinstall the shell stops, the trigger plate assy and the cross pin. Reinstall the barrel.
That may be a better way to go at it rather than removing the magazine tube.
lpl/nc
I'm figuring the shell is stuck in the magazine with the head behind the shell stops and the body in the loading port. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Operating on that premise:
Do remove the barrel first, to make things a little more manageable and safer as well.
With the forearm moved back to the forward position/bolt fully forward, secure the receiver in a padded vise (or have a friend hold it) with the loading port up. Push the offending shell back up into the magazine tube and hold it there.
Remove the single cross pin that holds the trigger plate assembly in place, holding the shell in the magazine tube as this is done, to keep pressure off the shell stops.
Remove the trigger plate assy carefully. This will free the shell stops, which can then be removed. The shell should still be held in the magazine tube to keep pressure off the shell stops as this is done.
With the shell stops out of the gun, carefully control the release of the shell from the magazine tube. That will clear the jam.
Reinstall the shell stops, the trigger plate assy and the cross pin. Reinstall the barrel.
That may be a better way to go at it rather than removing the magazine tube.
lpl/nc
rcmodel
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What?
You must have been using 16 ga shells in a 12 ga gun.
No shotgun chamber I have ever seen will except a shell past the rim, either foreward, or backward.
The rim is all that stops it from falling all the way in against the forcing cone!
rcmodel
EHCRain10
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this has happened to be when i let a friend borrow the gun, i was able to use the blade of a leatherman and my pocketknife to press both of the shell stops down at the same time, allowing the shell to be removed without any disassembly, looking back this wasnt the safest way to do it but it did work
scythefwd
Member
I have to agree with the others about it being in the magazine, I read it as the round somehow got fed backwards into the chamber (primer out the barrel) Which is why I gave the advice I did.
fatguynlittlecoat
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So this guy likes to hunt snipe and he gets a shell stuck backwards in his shotgun...I smell TROLL
Fred Fuller
Moderator Emeritus
Don't be too hasty to call troll.
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I used to have a long-legged liver and white English pointer that loved to find snipe better than he liked quail. I always had to kill one for him before I could get him home, or he wouldn't quit looking for them. Every place on the farm that was low and tended to be muddy, had snipe.
lpl/nc (whose troll hunting licence is still current)
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http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/...keith&page=h_col_sutton_snipe-hunting_lessons
Out There: Snipe-hunting lessons
Leave your gunnysack at home. Snipe are real!
By Keith "Catfish" Sutton
Special to ESPNOutdoors.com
(Archive)
Updated: September 19, 2006, 1:16 PM ET
Josh Sutton displays two pair of snipe killed on a hunt with his father.
Ask another hunter to join you for a snipe hunt, and you must be careful how you phrase the invitation.
Even then, you may get a knowing grin and a polite decline.
The image of an age-old practical joke lingers.
You see, there is a snipe hunt, and there is snipe hunting.
1. Snipe hunt: A prank in which an unsuspecting person is taken into a marsh at night, carrying a lantern and a gunnysack with which to catch the snipe to be driven to him by other members of the party. The others go home and leave the unfortunate to fret over a thousand spooky swamp noises.
2. Snipe hunting: A legitimate outdoor activity in which sportsmen seek small, fast-flying, hard-to-hit, unpredictable, tasty, long-billed birds that frequent open wetlands.
Snipe hunts, the practical joke kind, prompted the phrase "left holding the bag," meaning to be duped.
But don't be duped into thinking snipe are just imaginary birds. They're just as real as mallards, quail, woodcocks and other game birds. And hunting them is equally exciting, if not more so.
I recently did some snipe hunting, the real kind, with my friend Lewis Peeler and my son Josh.
We found the birds — scores of them — in a muddy, 50-acre farm field edging a slough.
As we made our way across the field in ankle-deep mud, lesson No. 1 of snipe hunting was quickly learned: Wear rubber boots and prepare for intense muscular exertion.
The walking often takes place in water and muck up to the knees. Or one may have to pick his way through a soft marsh, springing from tussock to tussock, with every prospect of tumbling from those unsteady resting places into a mire of unknown depth.
The snipe shooter, therefore, should carry no extra weight. His shotgun should be light, and his cartridges need hold no more than an ounce of Nos. 8 or 9 shot.
For this bird is easily killed, and it is so small — and so often flushes at a considerable distance — it is important that as many pellets as possible be sent after it.
Several wisps of snipe took flight as we approached, and as each of us swung on a longbill, we were confronted with lesson No. 2: A fleeing snipe has no idea where it's going, which makes shooting one very difficult.
Most birds rise from the ground on a particular line of flight and keep to it. Not so with the snipe.
The snipe hunter's boots: wet and muddy.
This bird flushes, darts a few yards one way, changes its mind and turns at right angles to its original course; then it appears to think it has made a mistake, and once more alters its direction.
The bird then either rises high in the air and circles for a while, looking for a desirable spot to alight, or settles into a straight, swift course that doesn't end until the snipe forgets it is frightened.
This eccentric flight pattern puzzles many sportsmen; some who are capital shots at other birds can never calculate the movements of snipe.
So it was for our trio of snipe hunters, at least during the opening volleys of that hunt. If we zigged, the snipe zagged. When we swung left, the snipe veered right. Many rounds were fired, yet the snipe remained unscathed.
We followed them all over that field, leaving a trail of empties behind us. I decided if we ever did bag one, it would be as costly a bit of fowl as was ever put on a table.
Bag one we did, however — then another and another and another. Fortunately, the snipe has another trait that is endearing, rather than irritating, to the hunter.
When they have not been hunted, these "shad spirits," as they're sometimes called, often drop back to the ground a few yards from where they flushed. Some birds fly straight up until just specks in the sky, then plummet back and light near the same spot from which they took off.
The problem here lies in marking birds down, for snipe with their amazing camouflage are ghosts on the ground. Even when you mark one carefully and search the ground ahead as you approach, you often fail to see it.
The long-billed Wilson's snipe is highly adapted for life in open wetlands.
The bird squats motionless, and just as you decide you have made a mistake in marking it, it jumps from the spot where you have just looked.
Hunting pressure makes the birds steadily wilder, even though it may not cause them to abandon good areas.
After just one day of shooting, the birds may get so spooky that you're wasting your time, then it's possible to walk for hours, putting up scores of snipe, without a single one in range.
After Lewis, Josh and I had each burned up half a box of shells, we were wise to some of these tricks. We figured out that snipe usually rise against the wind, and by advancing on them with the wind at your back, they are forced to fly toward you for some distance, thus allowing a shot at fair range.
We also learned that a snipe cannot be shot too quickly, especially if it rises more than fifteen yards from the shooter (and they seldom rise closer). Take aim and shoot, fast.
Open marshes, rice fields, lake and stream edges, shallow drainage ditches, and damp mud flats all are prime hunting areas, if the cover is not too thick to allow snipe access to the soil.
If the ground freezes, however, or becomes iced over, the snipe will leave, for they feed by probing the soft earth with their long bills.
You also should be aware of lesson No. 3: Snipe are uncertain birds.
One may find them on a particular piece of ground in great numbers one day, then return the next and find they have completely disappeared.
A bog that afforded splendid shooting at evening may be visited at dawn the next day and the birds will have departed.
Happy is the man, therefore, who finds plentiful snipe, and wise is the snipe hunter who takes advantage of the present opportunity. Carpe diem certainly applies when gunning for these extraordinary game birds.
After four hours of almost nonstop shooting, Lewis had bagged six snipe, Josh five. As for me … well, let's just say I wasn't as quick a learner as those two. I scored once and fired 50 shells.
I did learn one thing, though — lesson No. 4: When other game animals are scarce, snipe can save the day.
These skinny, little shorebirds can be hard to hunt and even harder to hit. But when you're in the mood for some for fun, fast-paced gunning, snipe are hard to beat.
They're abundant, widespread and excellent on the table.
Next time someone asks if you want to go snipe hunting, don't be too quick to call their perceived bluff. You just might be in for some of the best wingshooting of the season.
To contact Keith Sutton, email him at [email protected]. His new book, "Out There Fishing" (Stoeger Publishing; $19.95), is available at www.catfishsutton.com.
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I used to have a long-legged liver and white English pointer that loved to find snipe better than he liked quail. I always had to kill one for him before I could get him home, or he wouldn't quit looking for them. Every place on the farm that was low and tended to be muddy, had snipe.
lpl/nc (whose troll hunting licence is still current)
===========================
http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/...keith&page=h_col_sutton_snipe-hunting_lessons
Out There: Snipe-hunting lessons
Leave your gunnysack at home. Snipe are real!
By Keith "Catfish" Sutton
Special to ESPNOutdoors.com
(Archive)
Updated: September 19, 2006, 1:16 PM ET
Josh Sutton displays two pair of snipe killed on a hunt with his father.
Ask another hunter to join you for a snipe hunt, and you must be careful how you phrase the invitation.
Even then, you may get a knowing grin and a polite decline.
The image of an age-old practical joke lingers.
You see, there is a snipe hunt, and there is snipe hunting.
1. Snipe hunt: A prank in which an unsuspecting person is taken into a marsh at night, carrying a lantern and a gunnysack with which to catch the snipe to be driven to him by other members of the party. The others go home and leave the unfortunate to fret over a thousand spooky swamp noises.
2. Snipe hunting: A legitimate outdoor activity in which sportsmen seek small, fast-flying, hard-to-hit, unpredictable, tasty, long-billed birds that frequent open wetlands.
Snipe hunts, the practical joke kind, prompted the phrase "left holding the bag," meaning to be duped.
But don't be duped into thinking snipe are just imaginary birds. They're just as real as mallards, quail, woodcocks and other game birds. And hunting them is equally exciting, if not more so.
I recently did some snipe hunting, the real kind, with my friend Lewis Peeler and my son Josh.
We found the birds — scores of them — in a muddy, 50-acre farm field edging a slough.
As we made our way across the field in ankle-deep mud, lesson No. 1 of snipe hunting was quickly learned: Wear rubber boots and prepare for intense muscular exertion.
The walking often takes place in water and muck up to the knees. Or one may have to pick his way through a soft marsh, springing from tussock to tussock, with every prospect of tumbling from those unsteady resting places into a mire of unknown depth.
The snipe shooter, therefore, should carry no extra weight. His shotgun should be light, and his cartridges need hold no more than an ounce of Nos. 8 or 9 shot.
For this bird is easily killed, and it is so small — and so often flushes at a considerable distance — it is important that as many pellets as possible be sent after it.
Several wisps of snipe took flight as we approached, and as each of us swung on a longbill, we were confronted with lesson No. 2: A fleeing snipe has no idea where it's going, which makes shooting one very difficult.
Most birds rise from the ground on a particular line of flight and keep to it. Not so with the snipe.
The snipe hunter's boots: wet and muddy.
This bird flushes, darts a few yards one way, changes its mind and turns at right angles to its original course; then it appears to think it has made a mistake, and once more alters its direction.
The bird then either rises high in the air and circles for a while, looking for a desirable spot to alight, or settles into a straight, swift course that doesn't end until the snipe forgets it is frightened.
This eccentric flight pattern puzzles many sportsmen; some who are capital shots at other birds can never calculate the movements of snipe.
So it was for our trio of snipe hunters, at least during the opening volleys of that hunt. If we zigged, the snipe zagged. When we swung left, the snipe veered right. Many rounds were fired, yet the snipe remained unscathed.
We followed them all over that field, leaving a trail of empties behind us. I decided if we ever did bag one, it would be as costly a bit of fowl as was ever put on a table.
Bag one we did, however — then another and another and another. Fortunately, the snipe has another trait that is endearing, rather than irritating, to the hunter.
When they have not been hunted, these "shad spirits," as they're sometimes called, often drop back to the ground a few yards from where they flushed. Some birds fly straight up until just specks in the sky, then plummet back and light near the same spot from which they took off.
The problem here lies in marking birds down, for snipe with their amazing camouflage are ghosts on the ground. Even when you mark one carefully and search the ground ahead as you approach, you often fail to see it.
The long-billed Wilson's snipe is highly adapted for life in open wetlands.
The bird squats motionless, and just as you decide you have made a mistake in marking it, it jumps from the spot where you have just looked.
Hunting pressure makes the birds steadily wilder, even though it may not cause them to abandon good areas.
After just one day of shooting, the birds may get so spooky that you're wasting your time, then it's possible to walk for hours, putting up scores of snipe, without a single one in range.
After Lewis, Josh and I had each burned up half a box of shells, we were wise to some of these tricks. We figured out that snipe usually rise against the wind, and by advancing on them with the wind at your back, they are forced to fly toward you for some distance, thus allowing a shot at fair range.
We also learned that a snipe cannot be shot too quickly, especially if it rises more than fifteen yards from the shooter (and they seldom rise closer). Take aim and shoot, fast.
Open marshes, rice fields, lake and stream edges, shallow drainage ditches, and damp mud flats all are prime hunting areas, if the cover is not too thick to allow snipe access to the soil.
If the ground freezes, however, or becomes iced over, the snipe will leave, for they feed by probing the soft earth with their long bills.
You also should be aware of lesson No. 3: Snipe are uncertain birds.
One may find them on a particular piece of ground in great numbers one day, then return the next and find they have completely disappeared.
A bog that afforded splendid shooting at evening may be visited at dawn the next day and the birds will have departed.
Happy is the man, therefore, who finds plentiful snipe, and wise is the snipe hunter who takes advantage of the present opportunity. Carpe diem certainly applies when gunning for these extraordinary game birds.
After four hours of almost nonstop shooting, Lewis had bagged six snipe, Josh five. As for me … well, let's just say I wasn't as quick a learner as those two. I scored once and fired 50 shells.
I did learn one thing, though — lesson No. 4: When other game animals are scarce, snipe can save the day.
These skinny, little shorebirds can be hard to hunt and even harder to hit. But when you're in the mood for some for fun, fast-paced gunning, snipe are hard to beat.
They're abundant, widespread and excellent on the table.
Next time someone asks if you want to go snipe hunting, don't be too quick to call their perceived bluff. You just might be in for some of the best wingshooting of the season.
To contact Keith Sutton, email him at [email protected]. His new book, "Out There Fishing" (Stoeger Publishing; $19.95), is available at www.catfishsutton.com.
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mossberg
Member
All right, hang on now. This guy with 2 posts announces to the world a completely ridiculous situation and then doesn't post again. Sorry to those who wasted their time.
Fred Fuller
Moderator Emeritus
Completely rediculous situation, you say?
Not hardly. It does happen, granted not often, but it can- especially when a shooter without proper muscle memory is in a hurry to get shells into a tubular magazine. It's a common enough happenstance that Louis Awerbuck felt it necessary to mention in the classroom portion of the basic shotgun class I took a couple of years ago, for example.
As to not being heard from again, I can't say I'd blame anyone who got dogpiled the way this new member has for not showing up for any more abuse. Might be he's yanking our collective chain, sure- I don't know. But I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until it's proven one way or the other. This IS still The High Road, and it would be better for folks here to remember that.
The 'net is chock full of abusive firearm-related forums, if that's what anyone here wants...
lpl/nc
Not hardly. It does happen, granted not often, but it can- especially when a shooter without proper muscle memory is in a hurry to get shells into a tubular magazine. It's a common enough happenstance that Louis Awerbuck felt it necessary to mention in the classroom portion of the basic shotgun class I took a couple of years ago, for example.
As to not being heard from again, I can't say I'd blame anyone who got dogpiled the way this new member has for not showing up for any more abuse. Might be he's yanking our collective chain, sure- I don't know. But I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until it's proven one way or the other. This IS still The High Road, and it would be better for folks here to remember that.
The 'net is chock full of abusive firearm-related forums, if that's what anyone here wants...
lpl/nc
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Robert Hairless
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Lee Lapin speaks wisdom, gentlemen. Any of us can get into an embarrassing situation. Then we'll want to be able to ask for help here without being beaten or ridiculed. A little goodnatured joshing is to be expected in those situations but let's not be too quick to call people trolls.
rantingredneck
Member
Indeed, Stuff Happens to paraphrase the old saying in such a way that Art's Grammaw won't get put off.
I've been shooting, hunting, and around guns for going on 30 years and still there are times when I mess something up and have to come here for help. Not a shotgun shell backward, that's a new one to me, but I can see how it could happen.
I've been shooting, hunting, and around guns for going on 30 years and still there are times when I mess something up and have to come here for help. Not a shotgun shell backward, that's a new one to me, but I can see how it could happen.
sacp81170a
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If all else fails and it becomes necessary to use force to hammer the round out from the muzzle side, you could simply cut the end of the shell off (carefully), shake out the shot, remove the wad and powder, and then proceed with your attempts to remove a now vastly less dangerous object from the barrel. If it's in the mag tube, do as others have said and disassemble to get it out. You still need to be careful because shotgun primers are still pretty powerful, but if anything bad happens it should result in a "pop!" rather than a "BANG!" Use an Exacto knife or something similarly sharp and precise. Definitely do not use a Dremel tool or anything that could generate a spark.
Hashshashin
Member
No doubt. Just becuase his knowledge isn't as great as yours no need to knock him down. Maybe he simply made a mistake but if he didn't & he is pulling our legs then there still came out of this a couple of good ways to eleviate the problem in case someone actually does this.
mossberg
Member
O.K., I'm gonna cool it here. I say if it happened it is in the magazine. The extractors would only grab onto the rim right, so I don't see how it would get into the chamber. Oh yeah, Art, say hi to your grandma for me
okiewita40
Member
This has got to be in the magazine if it is real. Take Lee's advice i getting the shell out.
kirbythegunsmith
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Details
Here is a pictorial that I posted to show the proper technique to alleviate this exact problem of a Mossberg 500 and similarly actuated feed mechanisms.
The 870 style (1200 Win. and others, also) that have an intruding carrier (shell lifter) with this problem may think that they need to have the trigger assembly removed to remove the shell if a tiny screwdriver etc. can't reach along the side gap to push against the crimp end and force the shell back into the magazine. Then the carrier could be depressed and then the Mossberg 500 method could finish the removal. Of course, in those situations, you could pull the magazine cap and mag. spring retainer and follower and let the shell drop out the front of the mag. tube, which may be easier for some than trying to push the shell back against the spring pressure. 2 tries to fix that style of problem there.
Mossberg 500 here (scroll about halfway down to the pictures):
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=111968&highlight=
How does that look?
[email protected]
Here is a pictorial that I posted to show the proper technique to alleviate this exact problem of a Mossberg 500 and similarly actuated feed mechanisms.
The 870 style (1200 Win. and others, also) that have an intruding carrier (shell lifter) with this problem may think that they need to have the trigger assembly removed to remove the shell if a tiny screwdriver etc. can't reach along the side gap to push against the crimp end and force the shell back into the magazine. Then the carrier could be depressed and then the Mossberg 500 method could finish the removal. Of course, in those situations, you could pull the magazine cap and mag. spring retainer and follower and let the shell drop out the front of the mag. tube, which may be easier for some than trying to push the shell back against the spring pressure. 2 tries to fix that style of problem there.
Mossberg 500 here (scroll about halfway down to the pictures):
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=111968&highlight=
How does that look?
[email protected]
MCgunner
Member
Well, here's ONE advantage to a double barrel, don't think I could possibly force a shell into one of my double guns backwards. ROFL! Wow, weird.
krimmie
Member
I threw a 3" shell into the magazine backwards in January. A lot of ducks were flying and my eyes were focused on two pintails...it was easy to remove though.
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