Hi Point pistols, well worth the money!

[whm1974]

With what happened recently to the prices of defense-oriented handguns (before the current situation set in), the value of the Hi-Point line had been diminished somewhat, with many other options coming within fifty bucks, or even less, of its price point. Still, for many people, fifty bucks is fifty bucks, and might be better applied elsewhere (like for ammo and practice!), so the HP pistol line remains a solid option.

I bought one in 2015 off of a coworker who wanted the money to finance a bottle of some sort of "designer" rum. He had no use for the gun anymore, and I never did, but a gun's a gun, and I obliged him, for $70 (he was asking 60; I felt it was worth more, but only had an additional ten on me.) I shot it a few times, and it did fine. I was surprised at the lack of recoil or muzzle flip.

They are quite heavy for the calibers they are chambered for. I felt very little recoil barely and noticeable muzzle flip.

If only they made one in .22 LR...

 

[Paul R Zartman]

When I saw this thread I said to myself , "Self , if they want to have a Happy Hi Point thread they are well within their rights to do so - don't rain on the parade!"

But then I read this-


C'mon now. Lets keep it real , shall we?

Hope the mods dont see that, they will close this thread fast...

 

[sota]

I long regret not picking up the Money Gun when it was available.

 

[bikerdoc]

We refuse to carry them at the store anymore.
Yes they are reliable and accurate, BUT at that price point they attract troublesome buyers
Almost All the traces from the ATF and local PD, were about Hi Points.
Get the same response and problems from the the sub $300 Taurus G2C - good gun, bad owner.

 

[Waveski]

Hope the mods dont see that, they will close this thread fast...

It's just a gun comparison.

If a person wishes to take the position that a Hi Power is a good value in terms of reliability and accuracy , that constitutes a valid opinion. That opinion is based on a personal value judgement. Claiming that a Hi Power is more accurate than a Smith and Wesson model 10 is a straight up , one on one comparison that is open challenge.

 

[barnetmill]

It's just a gun comparison.

If a person wishes to take the position that a Hi Power is a good value in terms of reliability and accuracy , that constitutes a valid opinion. That opinion is based on a personal value judgement. Claiming that a Hi Power is more accurate than a Smith and Wesson model 10 is a straight up , one on one comparison that is open challenge.

Comparison of accuracy. If fired from a mechanical rest with a proper remote trigger the basic design of the high point could give it an advantage or a revolver if the barrel's crown, bore, and chamber dimensions are correct. But that way less than idea highpoint trigger for real shooting by a human undoes possible advantages. When people say a gun is more or less accurate I need to see grouping on paper at 25 and 50 yards.
I do have the .45 ACP caliber highpoint and only function fired it and it is 100%. I think it would make a useful night stand or car gun.

 

[Waveski]

If fired from a mechanical rest with a proper remote trigger the basic design of the high point could give it an advantage or a revolver if the barrel's crown, bore, and chamber dimensions are correct.

I don't understand this statement. The "could" and "if" qualifiers seem to neutralize the evaluation.

Then there is the "real shooting by a human undoes possible advantages." part.

 

[kidneyboy]

I don't understand this statement. The "could" and "if" qualifiers seem to neutralize the evaluation.

Then there is the "real shooting by a human undoes possible advantages." part.

It’s like asking for peer reviewed research and then immediately discounting the results.

 

[whm1974]

We refuse to carry them at the store anymore.
Yes they are reliable and accurate, BUT at that price point they attract troublesome buyers
Almost All the traces from the ATF and local PD, were about Hi Points.
Get the same response and problems from the the sub $300 Taurus G2C - good gun, bad owner.

You have something against law abiding low income citizens owning affordable firearms? As a low income citizen this sort of thinking to be extremely offensive.

What is next, required poll taxes to prevent such folks from Voting?

 

[FlSwampRat]

We refuse to carry them at the store anymore.
Yes they are reliable and accurate, BUT at that price point they attract troublesome buyers
Almost All the traces from the ATF and local PD, were about Hi Points.
Get the same response and problems from the the sub $300 Taurus G2C - good gun, bad owner.

The only group of people I have been consistently successful at selling Hi-Points to are the nightstand gun crowd.

You have something against law abiding low income citizens owning affordable firearms? As a low income citizen this sort of thinking to be extremely offensive.
What is next, required poll taxes to prevent such folks from Voting?

This was a problem to me with a lot of the guns that were outlawed as "Saturday night specials." Yes, I can see where some really bottom of the food chain thugs would like these guns as they are cheap and that crowd has no money or they wouldn't be the bottom feeders they are.

However, bearing in mind what Bikerdoc said, I wonder how many of those guns were sold by the LGS to the local thugs. Seems that a lot of low income people might be sometimes in a position where their choice was keeping the gun or keeping the lights on or putting food on the table during a thin time. Since they'd get more from selling to someone on the street than they would from a reseller like a LGS or pawn shop they might need every nickel they can squeeze out of the deal.
We carry Hi-Points, G2C's, SCCY's, etc. As a pawn shop most of my customers are low income folks trying to get by. As I tell them, "Money is the grease of life, it gets you through the tight spots. We're Jiffy Lube for your wallet."

 

[Styx]

I highly recommend Hi-Points to folks looking for what I call a nightstand gun. A gun you're not going to try to CC (as big and heavy as they are), not going to take it to the range a lot (the puny sights are pretty useless for target shooting), just one you want on the night stand in case of breaking glass in your home at 0 dark thirty.

Matt, at Demolition Ranch isn't a fan. Watch this video, jump ahead to when his lame intro is over. He fills the barrels of 10 Hi points with obstructions ranging from tooth paste to hardened concrete and remotely fires them.
Spoiler, they all work.

I guess you missed the video where he beat the heck out of one during a torture test and even shot the Hi Point in the chamber with another handgun, and it still kept on shooting...

 

[FlSwampRat]

I guess you missed the video where he beat the heck out of one during a torture test and even shot the Hi Point in the chamber with another handgun, and it still kept on shooting...

Nope, saw that one too. Chucked it in a pond for a week, ran it over with his truck, dragged it behind his truck..... The things are ugly but they work.

 

[Styx]

We refuse to carry them at the store anymore.
Yes they are reliable and accurate, BUT at that price point they attract troublesome buyers
Almost All the traces from the ATF and local PD, were about Hi Points.
Get the same response and problems from the the sub $300 Taurus G2C - good gun, bad owner.

Um, common sense tells me that if "troublesome buyers" who somehow are legally able to purchase and possess a firearm do not have the option to buy a Hi Point will simply buy a Taurus, SCCY, Ruger EC9, etc instead...

 

[bikerdoc]

Um, common sense tells me that if "troublesome buyers" who somehow are legally able to purchase and possess a firearm do not have the option to buy a Hi Point will simply buy a Taurus, SCCY, Ruger EC9, etc instead...

and that is why I don't carry any of them

 

[barnetmill]

I don't understand this statement. The "could" and "if" qualifiers seem to neutralize the evaluation.

Then there is the "real shooting by a human undoes possible advantages." part.

Not neutralized, but question if it is so. In science, engineering or everyday an objective study is needed to confirm a question. A target shot with the gun in question under specified conditions is needed with the dimensions of the grouping given. Pistols with fixed barrels all other things being equal are more accurate in theory when compared to a typical revolver or short recoil pistol. The alignment of each chamber relative to the barrel in a revolver is unlikely to be precisely the same as the other cylinders and the barrel alignment of a short recoil pistol should vary between shots. The human component is also an important part of the equation.

 

[JERRY]

if I'm going to shoot centerfire ammo (which ain't cheap) I'm going to do it with a quality gun, as in safe to carry with a round in the chamber et al.

 

[bikerdoc]

You have something against law abiding low income citizens owning affordable firearms? As a low income citizen this sort of thinking to be extremely offensive.



What is next, required poll taxes to prevent such folks from Voting?

nope, law abiding is the key word, if im getting a trace then it is a crime gun.

 

[FlSwampRat]

if I'm going to shoot centerfire ammo (which ain't cheap) I'm going to do it with a quality gun, as in safe to carry with a round in the chamber et al.

This is why I recommend Hi-Points as nightstand guns. Unless you're packing around your nightstand carrying the HP around isn't part of the concept. It's totally for defensive purposes in the house. The sights are so bad I wouldn't recommend using it for target practice, so no one is likely to be carrying it around with a round in the chamber and shooting much centerfire ammo out of it anyway.

I tell people that the one thing that someone can buy that is most similar to a completely defensive gun is a fire extinguisher. You buy it hoping to never have to use it but if you do you want it to work.

 

[CDW4ME]

You have something against law abiding low income citizens owning affordable firearms? As a low income citizen this sort of thinking to be extremely offensive.

 

[Ironicaintit]

This thread is a good example of the “class warfare” in the pro-gun world. Well, maybe not warfare, but there’s at least an antagonistic snobbery (though we would deny it).
I know quite a few good fellows who argue, “If it’s not a (insert brand name here) then it’s crap.”

Hi-points are cheap, and help to erase the monetary requirement to be armed reasonably well.
They work, and have a lifetime warranty!
I love that!

 

[Antihero]

I have only fired a few hi points. they were reliable with pretty awful triggers, but I got used to them.

after I got used to them, I really enjoyed shooting them. I even bought a 45 version for myself. just for the fun.

it kind of reminds me of my ruger p85. big, bulky, and with a mediocre trigger at best, but reliable and fun to shoot.

neither is a very good choice as a carry gun but as shooters they are FUN! nothing wrong with fun.

As someone who owns a p85 and a hi point.....no. not in anyway are they similar. P85 isn't really bulky, it's just blocky. The hi point weight is 95 percent slide.

The 40 hi point I have is garbage. The feedramp was divoted by the rounds coming thru so I took a brass brush on a drill to take off the black coating on the feed ramp. Imagine my surprise when it actually started removing the feed ramp. It was significantly softer than brass. That's pretty alarming.

It is very accurate and I do like the peep sights it came with but.....the warranty isn't great. You have to pay for shipping to them and thst makes a 150 buck pistol a 200-225 right away.....and a G2C has been as low as $149. I own one...... waaaayyyyy better gun than a hi point.

I wanted to like hi point a lot because they are USA based, and sell cheap guns.....but mine won't even feed a whole magazine and after taking it apart and seeing how sketchy it was? I'm not sure I'll ever fire it again

 

[FlSwampRat]

This thread is a good example of the “class warfare” in the pro-gun world. Well, maybe not warfare, but there’s at least an antagonistic snobbery (though we would deny it).
I know quite a few good fellows who argue, “If it’s not a (insert brand name here) then it’s crap.”

Hi-points are cheap, and help to erase the monetary requirement to be armed reasonably well.
They work, and have a lifetime warranty!
I love that!

I so agree, if you couldn't tell by my posts in this thread.

One of the things I say at least once a week to customers is "The best _____ in the world is the one that does what you want or need it to do for the least amount of money." Fill in the blank with any category of thing.

I have expensive guns, or, rather, they've become expensive in the years I've owned them. Fairly prestigious brands.
Yet I brag about my EDC being a Bersa Thunder, MSRP under $300. I bought Boris the Taurus (606 .357 2") for $250 after it had been out for sale for a month at $299. Good shooter, decent condition, couldn't say no to it after it had been whispering to me for weeks.

If it's a dependable gun, meaning it runs fine and puts them reasonably where I want them, I'm good with it, don't care about brand.

 

[Ironicaintit]

.....
Yet I brag about my EDC being a Bersa Thunder, MSRP under $300....

Eeeuw! A Bersa? I wouldn’t trust that POS.
I guess they’re okay if you have feminine hands and can’t afford quality

 

[Tallball]

I have a Hi-Point 9mm carbine. I got it used on GB for a $120-something bid. It goes bang every time. It's probably more accurate than I am. There are a whole lot of worse choices for a HD firearm.

Hi-Point 9mm carbine

• Tallball
• Dec 28, 2017

 

[whm1974]

As someone who owns a p85 and a hi point.....no. not in anyway are they similar. P85 isn't really bulky, it's just blocky. The hi point weight is 95 percent slide.

The 40 hi point I have is garbage. The feedramp was divoted by the rounds coming thru so I took a brass brush on a drill to take off the black coating on the feed ramp. Imagine my surprise when it actually started removing the feed ramp. It was significantly softer than brass. That's pretty alarming.

It is very accurate and I do like the peep sights it came with but.....the warranty isn't great. You have to pay for shipping to them and thst makes a 150 buck pistol a 200-225 right away.....and a G2C has been as low as $149. I own one...... waaaayyyyy better gun than a hi point.

I wanted to like hi point a lot because they are USA based, and sell cheap guns.....but mine won't even feed a whole magazine and after taking it apart and seeing how sketchy it was? I'm not sure I'll ever fire it again

That is the first bad thing I've heard about Hi-Points. Then again most owners of this brand tend to have .380, 9mmx19, or even .45 ACP , not some very pressure pistol round based of a High Power handgun hunting cartridge...

My experience with a few handguns chambered in .40 S&W is that there is more uncomfortable felt recoil and muzzle flip then my previous Hi-Point in .45 ACP.