High Court Rules Gov'ts Can Seize Property

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Gung-Ho - i gotta agree with you. I think i like him too.

StarPD - welcome aboard. Granted, I'm new here too, but you're right, free men should be able to freely discuss issues such as this without concern as to the reaction of a bureaucrat with his panties in a bunch.

Sorry guys -but this is put up or shut up time. This one decision will likely be the straw that breaks the camels back, and if you dont see that, you're not as smart as you think you are.

The fact that I hear people who dont know me from Adam discussing this in public places - such as the mall, Starbucks, or the line at Taco Bell, not the local gun shop - in voices loud enough that they obviously dont give a damn who hears them, and not afraid to say things like "Someone needs to retire those a$$____'s...permanently", tells me the patience of the people has worn mighty thin.

(I kept it clean Art... no need for your Gramma to come by)
 
This one decision will likely be the straw that breaks the camels back, and if you dont see that, you're not as smart as you think you are.
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Hope you're right, but I'm a fairly regular reader of Nealz Nuze, and if you search his archives, you'll find him yelling and screaming about cases just like Kelo for the past several years. It happened right here in my county. Wal Mart is a frequent culprit, but they grab land for all the big chains. I think it was Target here. Professional sports teams as well.

Kelo upheld 50 year old law (much like Raich, I might add). People seem to like the MegaLoMarts and the sports. It happens over and over, Boortz screams, and soon the hubbub dies down, the buildings come down, and we all shop happily ever after.

I'm not saying I like it, I'm just saying we really crossed the line some time back, when public use was expanded to mean public purpose (as in renovating "blighted" areas). That precedent has been applied to every kind of public purpose you can think of, and Kelo was just the most famous. But, like with Raich, we've been living with that precedent for a long time, and while the decisions have stirred people up a bit, I don't expect serious change. :(
 
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I see that some of the members here have taken the name of the forum to mean that we must be above petty disrespect or dissatisfaction with our elected and appointed royalty.
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You are too new to be that condescending. It sounds like trolling right out of the chute. Got any quotes to back up your indictment?
 
You are too new to be that condescending. It sounds like trolling right out of the chute. Got any quotes to back up your indictment?
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Nice - just resort to ad hominem attacks by calling him a newbie and a troll.

:rolleyes:
 
You are too new to be that condescending. It sounds like trolling right out of the chute. Got any quotes to back up your indictment?
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You are kidding right? Heck, you can't throw a feather in here without hitting "The Thin Blue Line." Besides, trolls for the most part throw out their standard party lines, and do it in two or three sentences.....they don't write several paragraphs of something my Grand-dad might say.
 
Love the name, StarPD...

Probably the most reliable pistol ever made (in my short/humble experience), reliable people OTOH, are hard to find.

Since I'm neither bright nor worthy of respect, I'll try and paraphrase somebody who is:

Extremism in defense of Liberty is no vice...

Welcome..
 
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Okay, everyone, deep breath.

We are all incensed with this ruling. In that sense, we're on the same side.

The argument is over tactics, really. To that end, I suggest that shooting the people on your own side is probably not a good plan.

Some of you need to re-read the forum rules. Disagree as vehemently as you wish, but don't call names. Attack the argument, not the person arguing.

Thanks.

pax
 
Lighten up. "Newbie" is a fact. "Trolling" is a challenge.
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So, the fact that someone logged in, and is new because of that, makes anything he says suspect?

That particular item is the fallacy of the lonely fact (Faulty Generalization). Further, to call StarPD a troll, also based on his newness or alternatively because you don't like the message, is a red herring (also called irrelevant conclusion).

What StarPD did, IMO, was to distill 19 pages of vitriol into one post of summation. Don't agree with it? Then add your own counter argument, instead of the ad hominem attack.

Oh, and welcome to THR, StarPD!
 
If one expects that THR is a place for anarchists to hang out or where insurrections are formulated and promoted, the person should expect some resistance. Actually there will be some balance of views among the young dudes, family folks, and the old pharts, none of the groups cowards, and no point of view lacking merit necessarily. If ones opening statement strongly expresses disrespect for points of view among those with a common goal, it's going to be a problem, and any intended point with real merit could be lost. 'Not very persuasive in my opinion. I believe I was suggesting a change in approach, lest ones intentions be misinterpreted.
 
With regard to StarPD's post, suggestion or whatever you choose to call it, how many here have read Unintended Consequences?

I submit that violence should always be the absolutely last resort. Having said that, when those in power and or authority, on an ongoing basis, seem to pay peaceful discourse scant to no regard, their tactics tend to preclude peacefull discourse, causing the conversation to become a whole lot less peaceful and a lot louder. In the end, our leaders reap what they have sown, neither more nor less.
 
This particular SCOTUS decision has brought about more widespread uproar at a national level than anything I can recall in my lifetime. Almost nobody in non-governmental status favors the decision.

Trouble is, it's one of the very few that has offended a vast majority of the public. Most of the time, it seems as though most of the public doesn't really understand some threat to Liberty, or is personally unaffected--it is thought--and bad decisions are ignored.

In my experience, the run-of-the-mill government employee blindly accepts any court decision, any law, any regulation as Good & Proper. Hostility from any of the public is puzzling.

For instance, I'd bet that those people who initially dealt with Carl Drega had no idea at all that their decisions would in any way create any large amount of upset. They took it for granted that he would dutifully cooperate; after all, it was all reasonable and proper in their eyes.

So: One need not be an advocate of action or inaction to believe that StarPD and Chairman Mao addressed reality. The actions written into Unintended Consequences are about the only attention-getting device there is to get the casual bureaucrat to re-think his world, his job, and the rules thereof. After all, it would mean a reversal of all he has taken for granted as well and good during his working career.

Absent that, I see no change in this long, slow loss-of-Liberty slide that began in the 1930s and was accelerated in the 1960s. Add up the New Deal, the Great Society, the War on Poverty, the War on Drugs and now the War on Terror: The ideals of the originators of our Constitution are in Nowhereville. "Let the Iraqis have our Constitution; we're not using it anymore."

As long as We The People of this society look mostly to government for safety and security and as long as we continue to vote ourselves largesse from the public coffers, we continue to cede Rights and Liberty to the control of others.

Art
 
To those who supported my right to speak my mind without being called names, I thank you.

To the member who has the arrogance to call himself "RealGun", as if only that which HE favors is worthy of being called a "gun", then worries about being associated with anarchists, make up your mind. Either you are the macho stud you try to make yourself out to be, one that of course, knows everything, or you are terrified of anything and/or anyone that has the capacity to intimidate you. Be advised that I am nether a "newbie", nor am I a "troll". While I have not posted much on this forum, I am not new to forums, politics, or those who, like yourself, practice condescension while accusing others of it.

I suspect that were you to meet me face to face, you would find other appellations more mannerly to use when referring to me. Unless and until you are willing to undertake such folly, I strongly urge you to mind your words.

Interestingly, I note that while finding fault with my observations, you offer nothing better except perhaps the same old routines that have brought us to where we as a nation are now. Or maybe you are satisfied with current events, needing the false security so commonly fantasized as being integral with the status quo. Only you know what is in your own heart, or lack thereof.

Perhaps you need to be reminded of these words, never more appropriate than here: "We seek not your council nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." --Samuel Adams...

Out.
 
StarPD, yer in big trouble. hehehe crazy Thorn sides with you for sure, at least in theory.

in practice, ARGH!!! this is making me nuts. motivating the Fat American population to defend anyone is like pulling your own teeth.

the govt will always use eminent domain in weak areas on weak people.

we're screwed. this ruling has been very upsetting to everyone i know
 
I think he meant to say...
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." -- Samuel Adams
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RealGun...

It isnt trolling - sorry.

Trolling, also known as "seagull posting" (flying in, crapping on everything, and leaving) or "driveby posting" (i dont think this needs an explanation), requires one to act very differently than StarPD has.

Among other things - trolls NEVER respond to any responses to their initial post, and they typically resort to ad hominems right off the bat. They also typically attack the base orientation of the forum.

StarPD has done none of these things - he's simply called out certain people on their inconsistent perspectives.

I dont have near the posting time here that you do, but it in no way makes my opinions any less valid.

Gun owners who only support polite discussions of gun rights and who advocate compromising our rights just a little bit further so as to avoid any unpleasantness are less than worthless. To me, people like that sound much the same as I'm certain the blacks in the 60's who suggested that maybe segregation wasnt such a bad idea.

The reality my friend is that there IS a storm coming. People like StarPD and others are being castigated for simply asking at what point we should get out the foul-weather gear.
 
Classic trolling, StarPD.
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Seems to me if the above is all you have to say, StarPD is right...you have NOTHING to offer.As far as I'm concerned Realgun, YOU are the troll. Why don't you take your name calling, "Thin Blue Line" and ............................ well, use your imagination, after all this is The High Road. His arguments at least make sense.
 
I suspect that were you to meet me face to face, you would find other appellations more mannerly to use when referring to me. Unless and until you are willing to undertake such folly, I strongly urge you to mind your words.
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Any offer to take someone "out behind the woodshed" bespeaks of TROLL. I'm not indicating latent trolldom, merely that this particular paragraph undermines anything else that might be said...

I disagree with folks here -- and other places -- all the time, but I will not do this! It is devoid of worth. :banghead:
 
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