Hk _ Because you suck and....

[benderx4]

Long, heavy trigger pull, long reset with a long take up. Further, the grooves at the bottom of the triggerguard where your trigger finger rides will likely wear two tracks in said finger until a callous is built up. Add to that, a high bore axis.

It should be accurate tho, once you get past all that.

David: I was not calling you out personally. I do believe, however, that many folks give advice and opinions on weapons they've never seen. As to your points:

1. Trigger - I concede that. Like I mentioned, of all my HKs, I like the trigger on the P30 the least. It's not horrible, but it can't compare with, say, a USP45 Tact. Again, not something that can't be "fixed". (LEM version is out now as well.)

2. The Trigger Trench - I've heard folks accuse the HK45 of this malady as well. I've got several thousand rounds through both guns and have yet to notice this "problem".

3. High Bore Axis - we'll have to disagree on this point. Ergonomically, I thinik this gun is unequalled. Considering the caliber and size of the gun, I think it has excellent balance, and the grip allows for a nice high purchase.

4. Accuracy - yes it is - we agree.

A nice gun overall. I have, however, bought a 2nd HK45 in lieu of a P30L because of that trigger. As for price, what's up with that? I never hear anyone complaining about laying down up to $4000 for a Wilson Combat Super Grade 1911 45, but $850 for a HK45 is outrageous? Yes, call CDNN and you can buy a HK45 for $850 and a P30 for $769. What does a Sig 220 Elite run nowadays?

 

[Lone_Gunman]

We can discuss the pros and cons of a particular pistol without having to make assumptions, can't we?

I guess the time for rational conversation ended about the time you said my opinion was asanine and elitist.

I've held and shot a few HKs. In my own opinion they are overpriced and their DA isn't that great. SA is about average. A bit bulky for what they are, but again that is my personal opinion. Take it for what it's worth.

It sounds to me like your HK experience is quite limited, and it might not be best for you to making sweeping conclusions about the HK based on holding and shooting a few HKs. Could you be more clear about how many you have actually shot, how many rounds you fired, over what period of time you owned one, etc? Have you actually owned an HK?

 

[Storm]

Forming an opinion based on just holding a gun is like holding a woman's hand and claiming to know what she would be like in bed.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

I agree, and it should not qualify one to make broad statements about a gun model in general, yet people do it all the time.

 

[Boats]

H&K fanbois are ridiculous.

If someone doesn't like H&K products for objective reasons, e.g. the triggers DO suck mightily for the cash. The paddle mag release is not everyone's cat's meow, or the actual use of said pistols doesn't measure up to pistols costing less:

The first line of defense is to claim the critic cannot afford it. Of course this is preposterous. Anyone owning one of the mainline 1911A1 manufactured pistols has paid as much or more than they would for any H&K without a M8, M10, M13, or TACTICAL in its nomenclature. People can and do routinely drop more money on the typical bolt rifle and scope than one would usually spend for "German engineering" in a handgun.

Failing that, e.g. the critic can drop more on a knife or a scope than he'd pay for Bavarian plastik, then ENVY is the scream. "Yeah, maybe you could afford it, but you COMPROMISED." I could afford a high end Ducati, but the ride quality and maintenance requirements are for masochists. Am I somehow envious because I'd rather ride a BMW or a Yamaha FJR?

If that doesn't work, then comes a defense along the lines of "Well, how many women have you slept with anyways?" This insecure line of argument about how many H&Ks one has handled and fired defies human experience in any other area. How many fat chicks would the fanbois have to date to notice that they're all rather squishy? H&K DA triggers suck hard and have for a long time across several models. For the cash demanded, it's not a question of cost, but rather one of value. Why on earth for the scratch demanded can the USP, 2000, P30, whatever, NOT have a world class trigger? The comparatively "lowly" FN FNP absolutely shames the typical H&K in the trigger department, at about half the price no less.

So, long story short, save it. No one breathing through their nose is going to buy that they are too stupid, too cheap, too self loathing, or too judgment impaired to form opinions on H&K products.

 

[usp9]

"Is it safe?"

Back to the topic.

Javelin, looking forward to the report. I look for one of these every gun show I attend, but I've yet to see but one in the flesh about a year ago.

 

[jakk280rem]

it sure looks alot like a walther p99 with that top mounted decocker and trigger gaurd mag release paddle.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

I think my HK45 does have a world class trigger. I am very happy with it, and shoot it as well as most of my 1911s. I don't see what the problem is, and think it is a shame the HK haters have to be so negative about this fine pistol. It is almost a phobia.

 

[IMTHDUKE]

Love mine....

 

[Pizzagunner]

I think my HK45 does have a world class trigger. I am very happy with it, and shoot it as well as most of my 1911s. I don't see what the problem is, and think it is a shame the HK haters have to be so negative about this fine pistol. It is almost a phobia

You have dished all of the stock "can't afford it," "they're just jealous," and "they lack experience" BS and you don't see the problem?

H&K needs to invent an irony detector and include one with every purchase.

 

[SwampWolf]

Also, it is a dang savvy looking gun. It has that modern new age sex appeal a gun should have

Hmmm, you just described the very reason I don't like the gun. This difference of opinion once again proves the legitimacy of the old adage, "there's no accounting for taste". Or "one man's Mona Lisa is another man's cartoon." To my eyes (and I am the proud owner of an HK USP 40) no HK firearm has ever looked good and the one being discussed looks positively Hi-Pointish, even Black and Deckerish. You can have your "modern new age sex appeal" appearance. I think the new stuff looks goofy, designed by loons who are just looking to cater to the "new age" consumers who only want something "different" just to be different and who have no appreciation for the classic looks of 1911s, Hi-Powers, Lugers, 1873 Colts, to name a few.

But I concede, this is just the (by definition) subjective opinion of a 65 year old man whose ideas of what looks good ( that is, a form with a pleasing proportion of things) has no basis in absolutes and who readily admits that form should follow function, particularly so when the end product is meant to provide self-protection. Still, when you can have your cake and eat it too, well then...

 

[Lone_Gunman]

You have dished all of the stock "can't afford it," "they're just jealous," and "they lack experience" BS and you don't see the problem?

If none of those conditions apply to you, then I certainly did not direct those comments towards you. I am simply naming plausible reasons why people might not like an HK, and am not referring to anyone specifically. This is in contrast to others here who have directly called me names.

 

[CPshooter]

This thread is getting pretty intense..I thought I'd chime in.

Do I think H&Ks have "world class" triggers? I don't know. It's hard to define "world class." Do I shoot my H&Ks with their "sucky" triggers better than almost any other handgun out there? Most definitely.

The only thing that bothers me is that people use the trigger as their reasoning for H&Ks being "overpriced." The high bore axis and all that other stuff is nonsense... The felt recoil on my H&Ks is less than that of ANY pistol I've ever shot in the same caliber(s). If a high bore axis is so terrible, Sigs and 1911s must suck too

The triggers just aren't as bad as some people make them out to be. If you nitpick it sure there is a bit of take-up in SA, but the darn thing still breaks cleanly at 4.5lbs! Sure the DA pull is "hard," but it's supposed to be for a reason. With practice, one can be very accurate with the DA pull anyhow. You can modify any trigger on any gun, but I prefer my triggers to be unmodified on my handguns to preserve factory reliability and safety. The factory SA trigger on my USP .40 Compact is worlds better to me than the triggers on my Glocks or XDs that I've owned in the past. The point is, you can nitpick the H&K trigger all you want but in the end they still allow for effortless and rather excellent combat accuracy. The LEM is a whole different animal for a different purpose, but I love it as well. You want a better trigger for your $800 gun? Then modify it and get it to your standards. You aren't paying $800 for an H&K because it has a nice trigger. You are paying for the entire package, which I feel is a better overall package than any other double-stack combat handgun being made today.

Are they the best choice for everyone? Obviously not. But I don't think it's fair to say that they are overpriced when people are spending 4x the money on a Wilson, Baer, etc 1911 when there are other 1911s that shoot just as good for MUCH less. Call it Elitist or whatever you want, but it really is the people who don't think they are worth it to them that are claiming H&Ks are overpriced. In other words, it's the person who bought a Glock,XD, etc because they didn't want to throw down the extra $300 and they don't want their fragile egos shattered. (This was by no means a bash towards Glocks or XDs..I've owned several of both and they are great guns for the money. However, this still doesn't mean H&Ks are overpriced)

 

[jocko]

great guns, never owned one but everyone I know who owns one swears by them. This model to me is very very ugly..

 

[CPshooter]

This model to me is very very ugly..

That's what I thought too, until I got to handle one in real-life. In pictures the "tacticool" forward cocking serrations and spidey grip look somewhat cheesy, but in real life it's like a work of space-age art that just melts into your hands They are very sleek and clean looking in real life. The pics just don't do it justice.

 

[hnk45acp]

A guy buys a new HK and the haters immediately jump on him. Nice. You don't like HKs? Stay away from thread. OP nice gun

 

[Coronach]

Everyone chill. Calling someone's opinion asinine =/= calling the person asinine.

As far as HKs go, meh. I own one, a P7/PSP, but I have yet to find one of the "new" ones (USP and onwards) that doesn't fit my hand like a brick. HK has it's own special brand of teutonic arrogance with regards to their marketing and production decisions, but that doesn't have bearing on how good, objectively, the OP's pistol is.

Glad you like it.

Mike

 

[IMTHDUKE]

Geeeessss....just glad he didn't buy a clock....he would really receive the thrashing of his life.

 

[W.E.G.]

My custom, raised Hi-Point way out-awesomes your HK.

 

[HKIWB]

Congratulations, Javelin. That's a major score. There must be an awful lot of us rich Kool Aid drinkers out there because the P30 is nearly impossible to find right now. I love mine, and everyone who's shot it has raved about its accuracy and ergonomics. It shoots like a laser.

Disclaimer: HKIWB has never actually fired a laser or even held one in his hand, and is not qualified to compare the P30 to anything of the sort.

 

[SsevenN]

My custom, raised Hi-Point way out-awesomes your HK.

Nice, what's that in, the 50 gigawatt range?

I like HK's, good buy I'm glad you like it.

My platform of choice remains the CZ 75, but you know what they say about opinions....

 

[Schofield]

Just get a new grip then it will be all better.

 

[broken]

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i have a friend with a h/k 30 or p30 whatever,probably the nicest polymer grip i ever felt,shoots great,i dont rib him on what he can afford,he doesnt rib me on my smith/wesson 5904 he also has a ruger p345 in .45,likes em both.to each his own if hes happy.im happy with my sub par 250.00 specail.heck i even sanded my plastic grip smooth and stippled it to try to get a feel like sandpaper,i liked his grip texture on the h/k.