HK p2000sk vs Walther P99c

[Jaegermeister]

Anyone know the dimensions (length, height, width and weight) between the two pistols in 9mm?

Also, any word on which will be generally available first?

I would have liked the P2000sk for summer carry, but HK seems to be experiencing a delay. I wish the company would give an accurate release date and the reason it was not out in mid-June as hyped at SHOT 2004.

 

[Extremist]

The P2000SK is apparently hitting the streets this week. Greg Bell posted the comparison in another thread:

Comparison of HK2000SK and Walther.

HK/Walther
Length 6.4/6.6
Height 4.61/4.3
Width 1.28/1.25
Barrel 2.48/3.5

Now, I don't know about you, but I can't see how the P2000SK is worth almost $300 more than the Walther (Street prices are running about $550 for the P99C vs $850 for the P2000SK!)

I have yet to shoot my P99C, but it sure feels good in the hand. I did choke and put up about $700 for my P2000 V3 (end cost came out to be about $610 after I sold some of the 10 round mags I got with it). But even at $610, I don't think it is worth almost $100 more than a Walther P99.

Regards,
James

 

[STORMIN29]

HK

The HK P200SK is going to cost $775 at my local dealer. Can't wait till they arrive.

 

[mete]

2000sk is available , price at one dealer was $850....I'd like someone to give a test report and comment on muzzle blast with that 2 1/2" barrel.

 

[Greg Bell]

As anyone here who knows me can attest, I LOVE H&Ks. I have owned P7s, P9s, USPs, and an HK 93. But I still can't see one reason why the SK is better than the 99c. Plus, the SK will only have 13 round mags (P2000/USP compact) available for bedside duty, the P99c will have 16 rounders (which are widely available already). I also think that the P99 AS is safer than the H&K's LEM.

Still, I'm sure I'll own both of them before the end of it all. (I'm a damn gun nerd).

 

[NMGlocker]

Only advantage I see, is H&K tends to put out a solid product from day one.
The Walther *might* have some teething pains, but the H&K will be 100% straight out of the gate. But that reliability comes at a price, both in cash outlay and in product delays.
You can count on some things from H&K, reliability, durability, high prices, and limited/delayed availability.
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I love my P99's, but H&K is a solid company with solid products.

 

[Extremist]

None of my P99s have EVER had any teething pains. Worked 100% from the first round, as have all of my HKs. So I don't buy the "reliability comes at a price" argument. $300 extra for the P2000SK? I don't think it is worth it.

I'll fire my P99C this week and see if it holds to the Walther reliability reputation

Regards,
James

 

[NMGlocker]

My P99 9mm was 100% thru 30k rounds, then the slide broke at the rear sight dovetail, I also had a broken slide stop spring at 10k.
But the P99 .40's are a different story. Numerous premature slidelock problems prior to the magazine follower change, along with the occasional auto-trigger decocking issue.
On the H&K side of things, I can't think of a single major issue with the USP or the P2k series since their inception.
I'm a big Walther P99 fan, but even I admit that H&K does not rush a product out the door and let the consumer beta test for them. H&K also tends to keep a limited number of pistols in the supply chain, I think it's because they don't rush their product to meet demand and allows them to keep a close eye on QC (and inflates the price). Remember the Walther/S&W .40 Military fiasco? In order to meet demand Walther enlisted S&W to make the slides and ended up with a sub-standard product.
H&K could have sold a ton of P2000sk's starting several months ago, but instead they have taken that little extra time to ensure thorough testing and a above average product.
Is all that worth the extra $$$ that H&K charges? Probably not.
I shoot and carry a P99 9mm, my wife shoots and carries a H&K P2000 9mm.
Different strokes for different folks.

 

[Greg Bell]

On the H&K side of things, I can't think of a single major issue with the USP or the P2k series since their inception...I'm a big Walther P99 fan, but even I admit that H&K does not rush a product out the door and let the consumer beta test for them

I guess you missed the whole USP 45c firing pin thing. And what about the early USP triggers? bletcho. All guns have teething problems.

 

[jimmyjoebob]

ahh but one thing in favor of the P2K is that it is completely ambidexterous, can't say the Walther has a slide release on both sides like the HK does. I do agree they are pricey, but I also think that top quality and top reliability tend to cost more. In the end both are good guns, but I still have my HKs while my Walthers went Buh- bye.

 

[Greg Bell]

I have not seen any indications that the USP is in any way of higher quality or more reliable than the Walther. I have had 2 USP 9-mm, 1 USP 40c, 1 USP45c and 1 USP 45 Tac. They have all gone bye-bye.

 

[litework]

Three hundred bucks isn't a lot of money over the life of the pistol, in my opinion. If you like the pistol, buy it. I have not had pleasant experiences with Walther, so they are out for me. I'm sure the quality is much better than when they were imported by Interarms here in Va. I'm probably missing out on a great pistol, but I can't shake the feeling...I would fork out the extra dough.

 

[jimmyjoebob]

George, I see your point, and to an extent I do agree, I could not stand the USP compacts, however there are many refinements in the new P2000( or as I say USPC 2.0) I own several 1.0s and a 2.0 in addtion to P7s and P9s, all are quality guns, but I think HK nailed it with the 2.0 all the features of the Walther with a few more.

 

[BerettaNut92]

What? This fast?

The P2000 took...well...it should have been called the P2003.