Tim the student
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I'm surprised this thread is still alive.
It was....interesting to read.
It was....interesting to read.
That may or not be true for PD's, but for self defense as individuals, over penetration is a huge liability issue. I have no union or million dollar defense fund. HP's make sense for self defense.This is simply not true.
Look how often cops MISS their target altogether, and how often cops shoot with tons of bystanders around....they are not concerned with liability of over penetration in the least.
Hollow points just work better than FMJ in most instances when using service calibers.
They often expand, causing a larger permanent wound, and they often stay in the target, dumping all their energy in to that target.
The fact that they are less likely to over penetrate and hit a bystander is just icing on the cake.
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To the OP:After looking into it a bit, it looks like most hollow points penetrate ~12" in a perfect world if they don't hit anything on the way to vitals. I don't know about you, but I don't like depending on a perfect world, especially if the BG is a 300lb dude on drugs. Sure hollow points expand(possibly), and cause more damage, but that means nothing if they don't hit vitals. From now on I'll be using wadcutters of some sort in my carry gun. They get better penetration and they do enough damage as it is that they don't need expansion.
Sure a few stories aren't that big of a deal and they're heresay, but they got me nervous enough that I'm switching to a .45. I know that most of the time a 9mm is plenty, but I'll take all the advantage I can get to give me a bigger margin of error. It seems like the biggest difference between the 9mm and the .40SW or bigger is that the 9mm can't break bones(usually) and deflects easier and the bigger ones can break bones and don't deflect(as easily). Different strokes for different folks, but I thought I would share that with you guys.
the heavier the better, the faster the better, and the flatter the better.
As ever, shot placement doesn't mean squat without proper trajectory and proper penetration. Just because the round might enter over the heart, if the trajectory doesn't carry it toward the heart, then the shot placement was useless. If the round doesn't penetrate to the heart, useless.
Please explain to us why "dumping all their energy into the target" is important?They often expand, causing a larger permanent wound, and they often stay in the target, dumping all their energy in to that target.
This belief assumes a solid center-mass hit yet many hits are along the periphery of the body, in which the bullet has a short penetration path through the body and exits. This circumstance comprises the overwhelming majority of cases of classic "over-penetration".The fact that they are less likely to over penetrate and hit a bystander is just icing on the cake.
Using them is worse. Please Mr. Badguy, don't be pointing a gun at me so if I have to shoot, I might hit your arm.
Oh, in my state that is pretty much the ONLY legally justified reason for the use of a gun and deadly force.
Their is a considerable difference in bullet performance between a RN and a truncated cone
I am not adverse to flat points, since they tend to work like hollow points, just moving the point of expansion further into the target.
Poke someone in the chest with your finger...it didn't really harm them.Please explain to us why "dumping all their energy into the target" is important?
This belief assumes a solid center-mass hit yet many hits are along the periphery of the body, in which the bullet has a short penetration path through the body and exits. This circumstance comprises the overwhelming majority of cases of classic "over-penetration".The fact that they are less likely to over penetrate and hit a bystander is just icing on the cake.