Autolycus
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Well it seems that Jeff White has destroyed any hopes I have of CCWing here in IL. 
As it stands we really need to get some changes made here in IL.
As it stands we really need to get some changes made here in IL.
Hope for Illinois???
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Tecumseh,
I didn't make the law....Just looked it up
I refuse to accept any responsibility for things the legislature does
Jeff
I didn't make the law....Just looked it up
I refuse to accept any responsibility for things the legislature does Jeff
popeye
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Well, Illinoisans: I'm glad I've got a carry permit more than ever now. Daley's gentrification of Chicago has eliminated quite a lot of low income housing. So now Chicago's trash is now my trash. They move here in droves (mostly in the middle of the night, I could never figure that out). I rarely carried a gun before, but now it's a constant companion.
One other true, but downright weird CCW story in Chicago. Back when I was living there, a municipal court judge used to issue judicial orders purporting to give the right to carry concealed firearms to certain people. I doubt they had any legal weight, but they did look quite legal. I actually saw one once. Was on legal size paper and had some kind of seal embossed on it.
Another scheme in Chicago up through the early to mid seventies. High ranking city officials would issue some kind of letter directing city employees to "extend every courtesy" to the holder of the letter. I never actually saw one of those, so I am not real sure they actually existed, and by the time I moved to Chicago they supposedly had fallen out of favor. But a retired CPD officer told me about them, so I suspect there was at least some validity to the story.
Another scheme in Chicago up through the early to mid seventies. High ranking city officials would issue some kind of letter directing city employees to "extend every courtesy" to the holder of the letter. I never actually saw one of those, so I am not real sure they actually existed, and by the time I moved to Chicago they supposedly had fallen out of favor. But a retired CPD officer told me about them, so I suspect there was at least some validity to the story.
Correct.
They can't carry on duty unless their institution assigns them to a location where there's a need. You won't find IDOC people walking around the institutions carrying firearms. Once they're off duty and leave the institution they are not permitted to carry.
Sometimes the IDOC guys can't carry on duty when they should. Had members of the Tac team from the local medium security prison show up at the PD one afternoon, looking sharp in their orange coveralls. They had been sent to check the home of a close relative of a man who had walked away from a minimum security unit. The asst warden refused to authorize firearms for that job because the prisoner escaped from a minimum security institution and had no history of violence.
The DOC guys wanted a couple officers to go with them, just in case. Said they'd feel better if they had some armed people present.
Jeff
The DOC guys wanted a couple officers to go with them, just in case. Said they'd feel better if they had some armed people present.
Jeff
Yup, Jeff, been on a few of those with IDOC.
I worked quite a bit with their Internal and some of the parole agents. The ones I dealt with were generally a pretty good bunch.
Worked quite a few cases on the green shirt IDOC smuggling contraband into prisons. Some of those weren't much different than the ones on the inside. And that's where we put them.
I worked quite a bit with their Internal and some of the parole agents. The ones I dealt with were generally a pretty good bunch.
Worked quite a few cases on the green shirt IDOC smuggling contraband into prisons. Some of those weren't much different than the ones on the inside. And that's where we put them.
Yes to all 3.
Some were Chicago gang members hired by IDOC as COs. Some had prior problems of obeying the law. Very poor background checks were done.
Some listened to the line of BS from the inmates, felt sorry for them, and agreed to help them by bringing in things.
Some did it for the money.
Got them doing everything from trying to smuggle in drugs to one guy who almost got in a sawed off 12 ga. Had another trying to hire a hit man and a hit man case where I ended up being the case agent after the case occurred.
I ran that detail for almost 2.5 yrs where we traveled the state working IDOC COs. I had informants at almost every prison. We would arrest about 1 CO a week.
Don Gwinn
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No, that totally happened. I saw it in The Untouchables.
OK, but seriously, I have no problem believing it. It's plausible, if not true.
Like I said before, companies that can order FAC's do so for wealthy clients that bring business to the agency. The agency will even back them as a supervisor. Since they are a supervisor, they can carry 24/7. I know it's not right but it is done.
Some small towns have deputy marshall programs where the person can carry in that town and only on duty. But have I seen them out of their jurisdiction, not on duty and carrying? Plenty of times...
I know all this sounds crazy and like a big conspiracy but it's true. Trust me, I work in the PI and security field and you see this stuff happen all the time.
Autolycus
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I will say it again...
if your not from IL you just really cant understand.
if your not from IL you just really cant understand.
A question for those with more legal experiance than I.
I've heard of the "tan card" and the "supervisor" carrying 24/7. The way the lawyer (who had both card and gun ) explained to me was that he carried a beeper that and was "On Call" in case of an emergency. Seems the agency had a llist of emergency numbers to call and his name added to the list. Since the agency ran 24/7 he was "On Call" 24/7.
Does that sound legal?
Or is it still low quality BS
Doesn't affect me either way just curious.
NukemJim
I've heard of the "tan card" and the "supervisor" carrying 24/7. The way the lawyer (who had both card and gun ) explained to me was that he carried a beeper that and was "On Call" in case of an emergency. Seems the agency had a llist of emergency numbers to call and his name added to the list. Since the agency ran 24/7 he was "On Call" 24/7.
Does that sound legal?
Or is it still low quality BS
Doesn't affect me either way just curious.
NukemJim
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A while ago, I read about one of Daley's henchmen getting stopped by the cops. If I remember correctly, he was driving drunk and carrying an unlicensed, concealed handgun, WITH THE SERIAL NUMBER FILED OFF.
The guy mouthed off to the cops, demanding that they release him. The arrest was called in, and before they could leave the scene, orders came down to release the person in question AND RETURN HIS GUN.
Yep, that's Chicago...
My personal opinion is that this would be a very good way for a private detective to lose his license. However, I also suspect there are a fair number of people in Chicago who carry illegally. It is entirely possible a few have tried to get some cover story in case they get caught that might potentially get them off the hook.
It is also entirely possible this scheme was used to get his handgun legally registered, since only cops and guards are allowed to have handguns. But I think once it is in the registry you can keep it even if you no longer qualify.
When I worked for a security guard company (back in the dark ages), I heard this 24/7 story from many a guard supervisor. I never knew any of them that actually carried on that story, "although they could if they wanted to". I think they knew it was rail thin and dependent on their company backing them up, and the chance of a security guard company backing up a low level employee like that is near to zero.
A fair number of us did keep a uniform and gun in the trunk of our vehicles when out and about because you never did know when that miserable beeper would go off. I had a small duffel bag that the uniform shirt, belt, gun and holster went in. We wore black pants, and over time I gravitated to wearing black pants all the time. Was easier than changing. I must have had 5 or 6 pairs of plain black slacks.
Deanimator
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I think he was an Hispanic guy in the Public Works Dept.
Autolycus
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Lets start our own company and make everyone a supervisor. We can get Nextel phones and the whole shebang. I will say I may be paged by ilbob and he by me. We are on call 24/7 its just finding work that is the problem... (not that we are actually looking ). It could be like a second job you know? Just when we are needed.
). It could be like a second job you know? Just when we are needed.Here is my question. Why in DC, as well as CHI Why isnt there court challenges to the US Supreme Court? How can a city go against the Bill of Rights, and over ride Federal Law?
I also recall not long ago a Missouri State Trooper off duty in IL saw a car crash, and assisted a motorist. He informed the IL officers he was carrying, and they still arrested him, and charged him despite HR218 federal law! I dunno what happend with the case. It appears IL, gov blowjo, and Sir Daley think they are higher than the Feds.
Also about a little over a year ago There was a major bust in East stl I think like 40 people who were felons, were trying to become East St. Louis reserve officers, even took the 40 hour firearms course required. People mention CHI as crooked, but East Stl is a total corrupt trash dump. Their police chief, asst cheif have been arrested by the FBI, the Police station raided, as well as MAJOR voter fraud going on. lets hope this makes its way to CHI and bring down the Kingdom of Dalyestan. However Blojo will have to be out of office first! We all know hes not going to do anything.
I also recall not long ago a Missouri State Trooper off duty in IL saw a car crash, and assisted a motorist. He informed the IL officers he was carrying, and they still arrested him, and charged him despite HR218 federal law! I dunno what happend with the case. It appears IL, gov blowjo, and Sir Daley think they are higher than the Feds.
Also about a little over a year ago There was a major bust in East stl I think like 40 people who were felons, were trying to become East St. Louis reserve officers, even took the 40 hour firearms course required. People mention CHI as crooked, but East Stl is a total corrupt trash dump. Their police chief, asst cheif have been arrested by the FBI, the Police station raided, as well as MAJOR voter fraud going on. lets hope this makes its way to CHI and bring down the Kingdom of Dalyestan. However Blojo will have to be out of office first! We all know hes not going to do anything.
Autolycus
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Think Blago will be out of office soon. I really believe Topinka will get the governor position. As for Daley that is another matter all together. I dont know what is wrong with the majority of Chicagoians. It seems that they do not care enough to do anything other than complain about stuff. Lots of people here complain about stuff but refuse to do anything about it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_(Bill_of_Rights) will sum it up far better than I can.
Autolycus
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We all know the founding fathers would not have stood for this kind of crap. Even if some judge feels that it is legal. You all know that I am right.
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Watch "Schindler's List". Note the little Polish girl saying, "Goodbye Jews!" She's the embodiment of a Chicagoan.
She may be on the verge of being deported to Germany as a half-starved slave laborer, but there's somebody else worse off to dump on.
In Chicago, it doesn't matter if you're up to your neck in sewage, so long as there's somebody you can pull under first.
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