swopejs
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What is your experience and/or opinion on Glaser Safety Slugs for the .4X calibers? Would they be effective against someone with a winter coat on? What would happen with them against a car window at point blank range?
How about Glaser Safety Slugs?
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kcshooter
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I think these have been pretty well proven as ineffective. Against a heavy coat I wouldn't trust them. Against glass, I doubt they'd do anything beyond cracking it.
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Just say no to gimmick ammo...
Sir Aardvark
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At one point in time these were something "special", but not anymore.
Recent advances in bullet design and materials have made these yesterday's news.
Manufacturers have put more focus on self-defense ammo in recent years, so now you have bullets in which the jacket is bonded to the core, and pre-scored hollowpoints that expand consistently and predictably - manufacturers have actually put some money into research and development to create effective ammunition for self-defense purposes that combine both controlled expansion and adequate penetration.
Back then about the only competition to Glasers were Winchester Silvertips and Federal Hydra-Shoks. Now, every major ammunition manufacturer (and some small-fry ones too) make a smorgasbord of ammo that is ideal for the self-defense role.
Recent advances in bullet design and materials have made these yesterday's news.
Manufacturers have put more focus on self-defense ammo in recent years, so now you have bullets in which the jacket is bonded to the core, and pre-scored hollowpoints that expand consistently and predictably - manufacturers have actually put some money into research and development to create effective ammunition for self-defense purposes that combine both controlled expansion and adequate penetration.
Back then about the only competition to Glasers were Winchester Silvertips and Federal Hydra-Shoks. Now, every major ammunition manufacturer (and some small-fry ones too) make a smorgasbord of ammo that is ideal for the self-defense role.
I have fired Glaser Blue .45 acp rounds into an automobile door from 10 yards. A dent and a blue mark from each shot. No penetration. The Federal Hydra Shock .45s went through the door, expanded and some even penetrated the door on the other side (the others put some obvious dents in the other side). American Eagle .45 FMJ rounds went through both doors and kept going.
Almost any type of cover pretty much negates the usefulness of the Glasers. There may be some special situations where they are useful, but I wouldn't trust my life with them for general SD use.
I have heard of some people who have had good results using the rifle caliber Glasers against varmints.
Almost any type of cover pretty much negates the usefulness of the Glasers. There may be some special situations where they are useful, but I wouldn't trust my life with them for general SD use.
I have heard of some people who have had good results using the rifle caliber Glasers against varmints.
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Junk! 
MICHAEL T
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The ones I tested were inaccurate at 30' (Blue tip.) Most never hit paper That was several years ago . I won't buy any more
I am a Corbon fan. Just not that round.
I am a Corbon fan. Just not that round.
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+1 With Sir Aardvark!
Yep, what he said.
Today's top tier ammo and bullet manufacturers have designs that are much, much better than they were 20 years ago when the state police and FBI were wondering why FMJs out of their wondernines just ricocheted or left clean holes and angry (but wounded) bad guys.
I know, phone books and gelatin aren't the same as flesh, but you can get an idea when you shoot into media that, say, a .357 125gr HP can kick some tail. And it can do that after going though an overcoat or car door. Same with most other calibers, 9mm on up. Even the .30 Tok can be loaded with JHPs that I wouldn't want to stand in front of.
I think Glasers and the like DO have their place. Like... among Sky Marshals. No point in messing up a perfectly good pressurized hull at 40,000 feet.
But, when I carry, I carry fairly mundane ammo like Gold Dot Hollow Points or similar. I don't worry about thugs wearing body armor, but it's good to know that your bullet can at least make it through a leather jacket and still do its work.
Yep, what he said.
Today's top tier ammo and bullet manufacturers have designs that are much, much better than they were 20 years ago when the state police and FBI were wondering why FMJs out of their wondernines just ricocheted or left clean holes and angry (but wounded) bad guys.
I know, phone books and gelatin aren't the same as flesh, but you can get an idea when you shoot into media that, say, a .357 125gr HP can kick some tail.
And it can do that after going though an overcoat or car door. Same with most other calibers, 9mm on up. Even the .30 Tok can be loaded with JHPs that I wouldn't want to stand in front of.I think Glasers and the like DO have their place. Like... among Sky Marshals. No point in messing up a perfectly good pressurized hull at 40,000 feet.
But, when I carry, I carry fairly mundane ammo like Gold Dot Hollow Points or similar. I don't worry about thugs wearing body armor, but it's good to know that your bullet can at least make it through a leather jacket and still do its work.
Air Marshalls use normal .357 Sig JHPs, as they know 1) that the existing holes in the fuselage (including the pressure relief holes) are far larger than anything a pistol round will do and 2) there is sufficient redundancy in controls that any firefight likely to take out the controls will have already seen the bird destroyed.
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Carry on, and feel free to back up you single word statements with intelligent fact's.
The Glaser's have been around for years, I wonder why?
When I have people staying at my house in adjacent rooms, my .357 "had" them for home protection, although I never carry them.
Then, I replace my big .357 with a .38 snub and use GDHP.
I do have to say, I loaded the first four with Glasers in my .357mag, and the last four with Corbon DPX's.
I'm not a promoter of these but at point blank range, at 1600 fps, which is what it is used most of the time, who wants to volunteer to prove these are "Junk"!
Any takers?
Better yet, let get it on YouTube.
Here's were the real Internet expert's really shine!
Carry on, and feel free to back up you single word statements with intelligent fact's.
The Glaser's have been around for years, I wonder why?
When I have people staying at my house in adjacent rooms, my .357 "had" them for home protection, although I never carry them.
Then, I replace my big .357 with a .38 snub and use GDHP.
I do have to say, I loaded the first four with Glasers in my .357mag, and the last four with Corbon DPX's.
I'm not a promoter of these but at point blank range, at 1600 fps, which is what it is used most of the time, who wants to volunteer to prove these are "Junk"!
Any takers?
Better yet, let get it on YouTube.
auschip
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I'm not interested in taking a hit from an acorn out of a wrist rocket, but it doesn't mean it would be effective at stopping someone in a defensive situation.
351 WINCHESTER
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We tested a .38 +P rated at 1700 fps. We shot it from a 4" s & w and it only got to 1100 fps. Very dismal and poor quality control. In a .38 you'd be much better off with a hardcast wadcutter.
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Back about 25 years ago a Boston jeweler shot a hold up artist with a Glaser,380,as I recall, Cops arrived and wanted the shotgun the jeweler used.
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I think David Hannum had a quote about it.
kcshooter
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At 12 bucks per half dozen ($2/rd), I couldn't afford to prove these as reliable in my guns anyway. I'll stick to HST at 50cents each and unquestioned performance. Even SD frangible ammo is about 50 cents a round, if that's your concern.
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auschip
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Based on accepted ballistic information, the Glaser rounds don't provide the recommended amount of penetration or retention of mass. If I had to stop someone, I would prefer a round that provides the best expansion, retention of mass, and total penetration.
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well that settles it I'm switching to Extreme Shock ammo It's the worlds most advanced ammo anyway
For over 30 years, Glaser Safety Slug has been the perfect choice for use in populated, urban areas. Glaser's composite design uses a special thin-wall jacket, and precision compressed lead shot core with a soft polymer tip. This construction provides optimum balance between penetration and fragmentation. These round nose profile guarantees feeding reliability. Stopping power is maximized by the complete dispersal of the bullet energy into the intended target with immediate shock and trauma.
This rapid fragmentation delivers the energy to a large area. Reduced recoil allows a fast recovery for follow up shots if necessary. This makes Glaser the best choice for defensive situations.
Glaser Blue penetrates five to seven inches in International Ballistic Wound Association protocol testing, while silver penetrates eight to ten inches in the IWBA testing protocol.
Blue is suggested for warmer climates where apparel is lighter making penetration easier.
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Although that's a little better than acorns, I think a lot of little holes the prefraged Glaser bullet could put somebody in shock, and in that manner stop them.
So I'm going to chalk it up as "Who really knows?", just speculation
This rapid fragmentation delivers the energy to a large area. Reduced recoil allows a fast recovery for follow up shots if necessary. This makes Glaser the best choice for defensive situations.
Glaser Blue penetrates five to seven inches in International Ballistic Wound Association protocol testing, while silver penetrates eight to ten inches in the IWBA testing protocol.
Blue is suggested for warmer climates where apparel is lighter making penetration easier.
WHO?!
Although that's a little better than acorns, I think a lot of little holes the prefraged Glaser bullet could put somebody in shock, and in that manner stop them.
So I'm going to chalk it up as "Who really knows?", just speculation
C-grunt
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There was a thread like this a couple years ago I believe, where someone who was a doctor showed Xrays of a person shot with a Glaser. It went through the persons bicep and then barely peirced the skin of the torso. NOT something I would want in my defensive gun. Im gonna try and find it.
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How about a marshmallow?auschip said:
According to who?
It is NOT up to others to show something new is ineffective, it is up to proponents to prove the product is effective.
Handguns tend to be under powered from the start, and need every advantage they can get.
Repeated penetration tests with Glaser and similar rounds has shown a lack of adequate penetration.
While shallow wounds may appear nasty and bloody, they are considered a reliable way of stopping an adversary.
You sound like a Glaser stockholder. (Or, did you cut 'n paste off their website?) But I haven't seen anything in your posts re practical experiments. You just sound like you bought into their advertising.
The fact is that the empirical evidence suggests that Glaser is only nominally adequate for self-defense purposes. Maybe it will work. Maybe it won't work.
I'm not an air marshall and I don't work in a nuclear testing lab, so I don't have to worry about igniting some doomsday device during a shootout. Glasers serve no purpose otherwise.
Plus, I don't have the $$$$$$$ it would take, at $12/6 rounds, to do any experimenting. And anybody who has not extensively practiced with, whatever round he carries for self-defense, is foolish.
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