Howa 223 1:9" twist reloads

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RudyMontana

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I loaded 40 & 53 gr. vmax hornady for my HOWA 223. HOWA has a 1:9" twist. I used Hornady specs using CF&E 223 powder.The chart from Hornady is for a 1:12" twist. I can't seem to get a decent group at 100 yds. Anyone have suggestions or experience with this set up?

Thanks Rudy
 
Those twist differences should make no difference in load data.

The 40 is not the best bullet weight choice for a .223 perhaps.

But the 53 V-Max should shoot one hole groups out of a 1/9 barrel.

Have you had excellent accuracy with the rifle shooting factory V-Max Varmint loads?
Or factory Match loads?

How experienced are you at shooting small groups?

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But the 53 V-Max should shoot one hole groups out of a 1/9 barrel.

Have you had excellent accuracy with the rifle shooting factory V-Max Varmint loads? Or factory Match loads?

Like the OP, I use CFE 223 to load the 53 gr V-Max for my 1/12 twist rifle and while I can't put 'em in one hole at 100 yrds, they are sub-MOA.

But for fun, I bought a box of factory Hornady Superformance loads also using the same 53 gr V-Max bullet. As promised on the box, they were fast. But they grouped about 2" at 50 yrds - and I'm not kidding. They were horrible. I had never had such a bad group out of that rifle.

Thinking perhaps something had happened to my scope or the rifle, I shot 5 of my 53 gr V-Max rounds right after the bad 2" group . But at the same 50 yrds, that 5 shot group WAS one hole.

The factory loads were almost 200 fps faster than mine, but as far as accuracy was concerned, I think the real difference was the COAL. The factory Hornady rounds were 2.24 - the same as suggested in their 9th edition manual. My hand loads are 2.285.

One of the changes that Hornady made to the 53 gr V-Max to boost the BC was the ogive. If you compare the profile of the ogive on the 53 gr V-Max to any other .224 V-Max, you can see that it is much "sharper" or in other words it looks to be closer to a secant than a tangent ogive. If that is actually the case, secant ogive bullets are known for being more finicky with regards to seating depth. That is one reason why Berger came up with their hybrid (now called classic) bullets for hunting use. While the target folks could tune the seating depth of the secant ogive bullets in their target rifles for use on paper, hunters quite often could not seat those bullets long enough to both fit in a mag and get adequate accuracy due to the longer leade in most hunting rifles.

So Rudy, perhaps check your rifle to see if you can safely seat the bullets out further than the 2.24 listed in the manual. I'm willing to bet that your groups will tighten up as you get closer to the lands.
 
The chart from Hornady is for a 1:12" twist.
The data Hornady supplied was not "for" a 1:12 twist barrel, they are only telling you the twist rate of the barrel they used to test the load data.

Side question for the OP, is Howa now using 1:9 twist barrels in their bolt action .223 rifles? The Howa 1500 in .223 I have has a 1:12 twist rate barrel.

Side 2, I'm getting sub 1/2MOA groups with that rifle using Sierra 52gr MK and 55gr GK bullets when loaded with Varget.
 
Several years ago I picked up a Kimber Longmaster Classic in 223. It has a 24", 1:9 twist barrel.

Conventional wisdom said I should use mid weight bullets 50 - 58 grains. I picked up two types of 55 grain bullets. Couldn't get them to group worth a darn and I tried lots of different powder/primer/seating combinations. I thought I had purchased a lemon.

I had some 40 grain Nosler BTs on hand so I tried those. WOW bug hole groups at 100 yards with the first load. That told me the gun was capable of very good accuracy.

I started looking for different bullets and found three others that work exceedingly well: Sierra 63 grain Semi Spitzer, Nosler 69 grain competition and Speer 70 grain RN.

The 63 grain Sierra's are my go-to bullet and they work well with a variety of powders. I especially like H-4895 with this bullet.

I've not had much luck with any Hornady bullets except for their 350 grain RN that I shoot in my 45-70.

Don't give up on the gun, just try a different bullet.
 
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