I don't get it...

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I see quite a bit of people who won't/can't carry because they live in an anti state/city that wont issue permits, that go on to say that well sometimes they do, like if they have to carry a lot of cash or something like that.

I don't get it. Why carry if you got a lot of cash, but not if you don't? If you get robbed, a lot of people subscribe to the idea that cash is replaceable, so give it to them.

BG's dont know if you got cash or not. If you do and give it to them, they probably wont shoot you cause their eyes and mind will be on the cash. If you dont have cash (Or gun) they dont get the cash distraction and may even think you're lying and shoot you anyway in which case you'd need your gun even more than if you had cash to give/distract them with.

I realize that they may shoot you anyway even if you give up the cash and that there are no absolutes here, but am just surmising that the presense of cash should not make a difference to wether or not you carry. Irreplaceable human life is the value to be defended, not the root of all evil.

If having cash is a projected defense to CCW without a permit, then where does your life come into value, wether you have cash or not? I don't get it.:confused:

What do you all think?
 
I know in my case, I limit my carry as you have discribed. Those times that I do carry, I will have cash receipts & people know it. Those times when my threat level is less (when I'm primarily in the office for example), I'm in a secure location and far safer than when I'm out in the field.
Really tho, I also carry as I feel the need presents itself. I know it's like wearing a seat belt (you really never know when you'll need it!), but thankfully, I've found a system that has worked.
 
I see quite a bit of people who won't/can't carry because they live in an anti state/city that wont issue permits, that go on to say that well sometimes they do, like if they have to carry a lot of cash or something like that.
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Your logic is sound, in reality, you have no idea when you'd need a gun, so it's best to have it as close to 100% of the time as possible, but it's a matter of "percieved risk" on the part of the person choosing to carry, not actual risk.

People who want to stand on thier inalieable right to self-defense will still weigh the risk of running afoul of law enforcment. They will carry only when they percieve the risk of being attacked is greater than being chewed up and spit out by the legal system. The fundamental immorality of a state that denies or limits self-defense is small comfort when faced with imprisonment, fines, loss of your job etc.

Their perceptions may or may not be accurate, but it's also nearly empirically impossible to predict what your odds are. I'd have no idea what the odds of criminal attack would be vs. a traffic stop that turns into a pat-down, then an arrest for illegal CCW.

My initial reaction is that it's a sad commentary that many law-abiding people often fear the police and our government more than they do criminals, but when you look at the intent of the Constitution and the BOR, such an attitude is healthy.
 
The way I see it is this: anyone who is using the threat of force to deprive you of your property is not in a reasonable or fully rational state of mind. While they may not be clinically insane, there is still no telling what they might do. The point is that such robberies are not just threats against your property, they are threats against your life FIRST. Be prepared.

I figure that there's only one place on this ol' planet I can be where it is 100% iron-clad, rock-bound guaranteed that I won't have any need of a gun: laid out cold in my grave.
 
Probably because if you're carrying large sums of money, your engaging in some activity that may draw the attention of criminals and increase your likelihood of being targeted for victimization.

It's all a matter of weighing the odds against the risk of being a victim of criminals or a victim of the state.
 
...where does your life come into value, wether you have cash or not?
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That's a very good point, one I believe more people ought to consider.

When I was a subject of the People's Republic of California, my life was legally defensible only within the confines of my crummy little, grossly overpriced little apartment in Silicon Valley; everywhere else, it was of no legal value to me or anyone else.

Now that I've returned to the United States, I carry a .357 magnum revolver whenever I leave the house. I consider it a moral obligation to myself to defend my life and property, as well as a moral obligation to my communition to stand ready to defend both the Second Amendment and American law.

My life is worth more to me than all the money in the world.
 
I think I'm a lot more afraid of what could happen after an..um...encounter that requires some level of..um...force, than I am of the attack itself.
 
OH law is weird, if you are carrying a lot of money, then by state constitution I hav the right to carry. I don't for any other reason. The congress is working on changing these laws, but the Senate keeps adding stupid provisions that make the CCW law useless.
 
but it's a matter of "percieved risk" on the part of the person choosing to carry, not actual risk.
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Hmmm, wouldn't a 'perceived risk' throw you into condition orange and make you put your gun on anyway? Or do you mean, 'No perceived risk' so leave it at home while you go to Mc donalds or Luby's. (The one guy's incident was in McD's play area! ) No such thing as a good neighbrohood on earth, or BG's with wheels.



My initial reaction is that it's a sad commentary that many law-abiding people often fear the police and our government more than they do criminals, but when you look at the intent of the Constitution and the BOR, such an attitude is healthy
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Concur.

I figure that there's only one place on this ol' planet I can be where it is 100% iron-clad, rock-bound guaranteed that I won't have any need of a gun: laid out cold in my grave
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Realistic risk assessment.

Actually thats a common misconception, the scripture actually says the LOVE of money.
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I'll see your monkey wrench and raise you a "So can carrying a gun only when you have a wad of cash to protect be construed to mean that you value/love your money more than your life, and thusly, are evil yourself?":p

Probably because if you're carrying large sums of money, your engaging in some activity that may draw the attention of criminals and increase your likelihood of being targeted for victimization.
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As a mobile service person in a commercial truck or something like that maybe I could see it. As a private citizen in a private unlettered vehicle I dont see how unless you carry the cash in your hand. Maybe I'm not getting what you meant.



It's all a matter of weighing the odds against the risk of being a victim of criminals or a victim of the state.
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I agree with and understand this but my question is how can cash be a deciding factor over your life, wether it goes to a criminal or the state? Is it prudent to put the state before one's safety? Tough question, but I've concluded no.

My life is worth more to me than all the money in the world.
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Concur.

I think I'm a lot more afraid of what could happen after an..um...encounter that requires some level of..um...force, than I am of the attack itself.
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So would it be accurate to paraphrase that as "My money's worth more to me than all the safety in the world?":D :p

Just philosophical stuff here guys. Any perceived flaming is tongue in cheek. Just tossin it around.:D
 
In some states it is legal to carry if you are carrying a large amount of money. Maybe people say they carry only when they have money, so they have an excuse to carry legal. Of course you have to be arrested first. It pays to be legal if you get arrested or questioned by the police.

Molly


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Galatians 5: 22,23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith. Meekness, temperance: Against such there if not law.
 
As a mobile service person in a commercial truck or something like that maybe I could see it. As a private citizen in a private unlettered vehicle I dont see how unless you carry the cash in your hand. Maybe I'm not getting what you meant.
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Let's see.

- An apartment owner collecting rent (some places here in SoCal) the tenants tend to pay in cash.

- Jeweler picking up inventory.

- Someone withdrawing a large sum of cash because he needed to use cash for some transaction (and not just to buy drugs). I know some criminals do hang out at banks looking for unsuspecting victims (though I hope someone thoughtful enough to carry a gun won't be so unaware of his surroundings).


There are any number of instances where a private citizen might have to carry cash in hand and have to do it with enough regularity that some miscreant may catch on that he could victimize this person. I don't think it's so much that cash is the deciding factor, so much as having that much cash is an indication of being in activity that will draw a criminal's attention. Just because you don't see it such scenarios, doesn't mean they don't exist.

Some of us would all love to carry our guns with us all the time, but when you live in a place like the PRK, the chances of you getting caught by the cops might be more likely than being attacked by a criminal. If you're unlucky enough for that to happen and have the cops arrest you and the DA throw the book at you, guess what? Welcome to felony world. Now, you can't even legally own a gun. What happens to your safety then? Do you choose to continue being a felon and own a gun anyway?

I don't think we're putting the state or money before our safety. Some of us just have to work with what we're given. Some of us do have to weigh the risk and take them as we see them.
 
My first post - sorry if I'm a little ignorant. You said that robbers being given money most likely won't shoot you. This just happened recently -Robbed ex-cop kills suspect . I've read how you guys are...always aware and on the side of caution. Goes to show you how crazy some people are.
 
I also said that I realize that there are no absolutes and that they may shoot you anyway.

I've read how you guys are...always aware and on the side of caution. Goes to show you how crazy some people are.
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I'm not sure I get your meaning on that one...

Welcome to THR!:)
 
Thanks for the welcome! :) Oh, I didn't realize that might sound weird. What I meant was, seeing as you guys are always so aware(I've read posts and sometimes think you guys have eyes in the back of your heads), you would see the threat in an armed robber, even with giving him money/credit cards...you wouldn't think of relief, you'd still be in the "up-and-at-'em" mode. That's all. It was meant to be a compliment, but ended up sounding very strange. Sorry 'bout that. :p
 
Oh Ok, thanks for the clarification. I wasn't sure how to read that exactly. Sometimes I garble my own thoughts too. Something gets lost in between brain and fingertips.:D

Nice Sig line, btw. Parts of that passage have the tone of relevance to the issue being discussed.;)
 
No problem. My thoughts are usually clear...it's when I have to type that they get "garbled". Hand-eye coordination isn't all to good(two-finger typist here). :)

Anyways, about the sig line - thanks. Theodore Roosevelt. I read that once somewhere and now I've used it as just about everything(heck, it's even in my room). And, yes - no coincidence...I saw this topic and used this sig. :D

Again - anyways, I'll stop babbling. I do that enough already.

Trish
 
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