Sam1911
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"Even an HK would have survived that!" (Though you would still suck and they'd still hate you.)"
Better?
I fell in the river while carrying....
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Sorry!
"Even an HK would have survived that!" (Though you would still suck and they'd still hate you.)"
Better?
Driftertank
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I read a magazine article a few years ago where the author tried every test he could think of to kill some 1911's, including laying them on his lawn and driving over them with a truck ("Good for making 1911-shaped holes in your lawn...that's all you'll accomplish.") to submerging them in a water/talcum-powder solution, and finally shooting them completely underwater. Apparently, .45ACP hardball will still penetrate two 2x4's from 7 feet when underwater. No damage to any of the guns. Can't imagine a Glock would be any worse off.
Only thing i've been taught is, if you submerge a rifle, open the action and point the barrel down, particularly if gas operated, to allow water to drain from the barrel and action. Fairly easy for the long, skinny tube of a rifle barrel or gas tube to retain a good amount of water, which WILL cause a dangerous pressure spike if fired.
Only thing i've been taught is, if you submerge a rifle, open the action and point the barrel down, particularly if gas operated, to allow water to drain from the barrel and action. Fairly easy for the long, skinny tube of a rifle barrel or gas tube to retain a good amount of water, which WILL cause a dangerous pressure spike if fired.
Freedom_fighter_in_IL
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Much!! Tanky
FlyinBryan
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WHAT?!!!!
i terribly want to believe this, but i'm finding it difficult to even ask about.
FlyinBryan
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trying to answer my own question above. its interesting, and not completely off topic by virtue of involving water.
http://www.dlsports.com/underwater_handgun_shooting.html
http://www.dlsports.com/underwater_handgun_shooting.html
Brass Fetcher
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Various .40S&W defensive rounds, change in velocity after MIL-STD water submergence :
http://www.brassfetcher.com/40S&W/40S&W%20Water%20Immersion%20Test.pdf
Nothing to worry about regarding lethality, unless the water in the barrel causes significant drag on the bullet.
http://www.brassfetcher.com/40S&W/40S&W%20Water%20Immersion%20Test.pdf
Nothing to worry about regarding lethality, unless the water in the barrel causes significant drag on the bullet.
Pistol ammo is generally fine underwater for quite a while. I carried a 44 mag bang stick diving a lot and just painted over the primers with a little nail polish. I swapped the rounds out every half dozen or so and never had a problem. I did rinse with fresh water every time, the salt would start to corrode the brass if I left it to its devices. I don't know that the nail polish was even necessary. I went without it a few times, and everything seemed ok but never went more than twice like that.
12 gauge shells are a different story.
12 gauge shells are a different story.
Freedom_fighter_in_IL
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A story that has a better conclusion if you melt a couple of drops of candle wax over the top. Seals them up all nice and pretty.
Driftertank
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I apologise for any inaccuracies resulting from my attempting to recall information from a magazine article i read years ago, but i specifically recalled mention of using a 2x4 backstop (okay, perhaps it was only 4 feet away. Hard to remember ALL the details) and he was rather surprised when his first few shots went right through it, and had to add another layer.
".45ACP....putting big holes in sturdy objects for over 100 years."
mgregg85
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Just pull it out of the water and give it a good shake. Checking the bore for obstructions is never a bad idea but a tiny amount of water shouldn't hurt anything.
FlyinBryan
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no, no, no!! dont apoligize. ya, you were a little off, but the fact that it did penetrate wood from 4' away, underwater,,,,, close enough just from memory. im impressed as hell that it can do that!
(i carry a lightweight commander)
Driftertank
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Fullsize Kimber stainless TLE II is my usual carry. I like big bullets and metal guns. But to each his/her own.
Once shot the side of a steel 55 gallon drum at the most oblique angle I could manage, just to see how much the round would deflect when passing through heavy gauge steel at a low angle. I was rather shocked when i walked up to the barrel and found myself looking straight through two holes in the steel in a straight line to a hole in the backstop, all three, best as i can tell, in a straight line to my shooting position. No visible deflection. .45 don't like to change direction....
Once shot the side of a steel 55 gallon drum at the most oblique angle I could manage, just to see how much the round would deflect when passing through heavy gauge steel at a low angle. I was rather shocked when i walked up to the barrel and found myself looking straight through two holes in the steel in a straight line to a hole in the backstop, all three, best as i can tell, in a straight line to my shooting position. No visible deflection. .45 don't like to change direction....
WardenWolf
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I'd take a hairdryer and blow it out nice and good, then reoil it. That's assuming the hot air can reach all parts of the action, that is. Some pistols have more hidden parts. If that's the case, it's best to do a full disassembly of those sections. For example, in a 1911, I'd remove the firing pin and possibly the firing pin block on the frame, and thoroughly dry out those channels.
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No expert here. Just repeating what I've read - along with a little experience. Some use a "plug" to stopper the hole in the Glock grip. I've read that the hole is a deliberate design to drain the weapon quickly for immediate use after immersion. True or not, that's why I do not plug the hole.
I lube all my firearms with Sentry Hi-Slip Grease and RemOil. The Sentry is approved for Seals and Spec. Forces. One of the reasons is that it remains in place through salt & fresh water swims. A full synthetic, it lubes without thickening at -65 and continues to lube to about +700. Lubrication is more about personal "likes" for we non-scientist types. I like the combo for it's "storage" capabilities. You can lube a weapon, store for a year, and it will run like you lubed it ten minutes ago. Any lube will work for 99.999% of the ways the average person will use a firearm. However, I do not think all lubes work after immersion/swimming and long storage. Also with this combo lube I believe you can shoot the firearm until it melts before you have a lube failure. Just my opinion based on use.
No expert here. Just repeating what I've read - along with a little experience. Some use a "plug" to stopper the hole in the Glock grip. I've read that the hole is a deliberate design to drain the weapon quickly for immediate use after immersion. True or not, that's why I do not plug the hole.
I lube all my firearms with Sentry Hi-Slip Grease and RemOil. The Sentry is approved for Seals and Spec. Forces. One of the reasons is that it remains in place through salt & fresh water swims. A full synthetic, it lubes without thickening at -65 and continues to lube to about +700. Lubrication is more about personal "likes" for we non-scientist types. I like the combo for it's "storage" capabilities. You can lube a weapon, store for a year, and it will run like you lubed it ten minutes ago. Any lube will work for 99.999% of the ways the average person will use a firearm. However, I do not think all lubes work after immersion/swimming and long storage. Also with this combo lube I believe you can shoot the firearm until it melts before you have a lube failure. Just my opinion based on use.
JohnBT
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"12 gauge shells are a different story."
They do just fine duck hunting in the rain, sleet and snow, but I try not to let them roll around in the bottom of the boat for hours at a time. Otherwise they work just fine. Of course the steel pellets will rust together into a clump after awhile. The old paper shells could be a problem and swell too big to chamber, but I've never had any trouble with the modern plastic ones.
Fwiw, it's not the saltwater that messes the gun up when you drop it in the bay, it's the pieces of shell and assorted grit stirred up by the prop that can clog the gun's action. Move upcurrent and swish it around in the cleaner water and all is good.
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They do just fine duck hunting in the rain, sleet and snow, but I try not to let them roll around in the bottom of the boat for hours at a time. Otherwise they work just fine. Of course the steel pellets will rust together into a clump after awhile. The old paper shells could be a problem and swell too big to chamber, but I've never had any trouble with the modern plastic ones.
Fwiw, it's not the saltwater that messes the gun up when you drop it in the bay, it's the pieces of shell and assorted grit stirred up by the prop that can clog the gun's action. Move upcurrent and swish it around in the cleaner water and all is good.
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I did that once. Creek fishing in IN with a Bersa .380 in my waistband. These creeks usually were only 1-2' deep at most, with some pools of 3' or more. I was balancing on a rock,crossing a very narrow section that was usually less than a foot deep. I slipped, and fell in vertically and went completely under. this was early spring, and that water was COLD! Luckily the air was warm, so I was able to keep fishing. I shot the ammo later that day and it worked fine.
After that incident, it became pretty obvious how someone could drown in such a small creek. Had I bonked my head or gotten snagged on a piece of rebar from the old culvert pipe I wouldn't be typing this.
After that incident, it became pretty obvious how someone could drown in such a small creek. Had I bonked my head or gotten snagged on a piece of rebar from the old culvert pipe I wouldn't be typing this.
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Gtimothy
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I keep my Sig in a zip loc bag with a dessi pac whenever I take it out of it's velvet lined temperature/humidity controled vault!Solidgun, We have to apologize for rcmodel. His deep and subtle sarcasm has just shown itself capable of tricking our newer members into missing his point. Rest assured, there are few people with as abiding an affection for the old 1911 than he has, and that the entire purpose of his point was to deliver a sidelong jab at the idea that ANY service sidearm would not have withstood this, most superficial of "torture tests."
Heck, even a SIG would have lived through that!
Ain't never gonna get wet that way! 
Cesiumsponge
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For our next torture test, lint buildup from daily carry. Can I fire my gun safely with a bore coated with lint without overpressure issues?
35Rem
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Yep. That's what it's for. I thought everyone knew that Glocks shot UNDER water. Ha Ha!
tdstout
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Doesn't (") mean inch? That's some mighty shallow water you fish in, unless I have my symbols mixed up.
ChefJeff1
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I"ve sent my 38 special reload on a speed strip through the washing machine. They shot fine. I'd change out your carry ammo though, just to be sure.
Jeremiah10:23
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I have seen this comment several times and I am sure there is an amusing story behind it. I'd love to hear it.
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