I Hope I Didn't Screw Up Too Bad

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Havok7416

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This last weekend I finally got a bite on a Springfield 1911 I had posted for sale/trade. The guy asked if I would consider a multi-gun trade and I agreed to at least look at his offer. It turned out he had a brand new Mossberg 500 and an AR, both with various ammo and accessories. It just so happens that I am not an AR fan. I was prepared to tell him no right off the bat, but he lives in an area that I had to go through for other business anyway, so I agreed to meet. I figured I would turn around and trade or sell the guns off if I went through with the deal.

The AR he listed was a parts gun (Anderson lower and Hardened Arms upper with CMMG internals). It was the caliber - .300 Blackout - that intrigued me though. If he had offered an AR in any other caliber it would have been a dead deal from the start. But as I sat there and did my research the .300 Blackout started looking halfway decent. It's not like I didn't know about the cartridge, but it's never held any interest. Maybe that's because it's primarily an AR caliber and there's no love lost there for me. I should add that I do reload, so the .300 Blackout is a better option than to someone who does not.

After looking over the guns I decided to do the trade. No money changed hands. It turns out the AR upper is brand new and the lower has about 150 rounds of .223 (the original caliber apparently) through it according to him. The trigger is nice and crisp. I am looking to add an iron sight to the gun, but the micro dot that came with it is actually pretty decent.

With the threaded muzzle, a suppressor may now be viable - something else I thought I would never do. The .300 Blk is perhaps one of the best cartridges in my mind for suppressed application, so we will have to see where this leads.

The shotgun has already found a new home since I have no use for another. Overall I'm actually happy with the results of this trade and will likely keep the AR pending a trial or two at the range.
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Cost per round for the blackout can be fairly lower because of low charge weights and availability of the .308 bullets. What did you figure the cost per round to be?

I've been looking to buy an AR soon for a plinking rifle. Figured the cost per round for cheap ammo ( 25 cents per round) is only 6 cents more than I can load for without casting my own. Not sure I want to shoot coated bullets anyway. Besides I cast enough as is!

I was going to do another bolt rifle in .223 and figured what the heck its a plinking gun and I am not sure I want to tinker too much with accuracy. 2 MOA is good enough for a plinking rifle.
 
It was just a run of the mill Springfield Model 1911 A1. They go about $750 brand new in my area. Mine had some upgrades - a full length guide rod, lightened trigger pull, reduced power recoil spring and a trigger with smoothed edges.
 
The optic on the rifle is $90 by itself and it came with 250 rounds of LC ammo. The shotgun came with a few boxes each of birdshot and slugs. I forgot all that when I posted.
 
Your new AR is made of acceptable parts that will last you a long time plinking and whatever. I have many AR's and one of my favorites is in 300 Blackout, a cartridge i dearly love to shoot (supersonic only) for plinking and all sorts of informal shooting as well as Texas hogs. There is something very different about shooting a 125 or 150 gr .30 caliber bullet than having fun with the AR in .223 but let's face it all recreational shooting is fun.
Save your 300 brass and load it for whatever activity, hunting or plinking. Brass is relatively cheap if reformed .223 is used....a warning keep your rifle mags and ammo clearly marked as Blackout, a 300 round in a 5.56 AR can become a loud kaboom!
 
Your new AR is made of acceptable parts that will last you a long time plinking and whatever. I have many AR's and one of my favorites is in 300 Blackout, a cartridge i dearly love to shoot (supersonic only) for plinking and all sorts of informal shooting as well as Texas hogs. There is something very different about shooting a 125 or 150 gr .30 caliber bullet than having fun with the AR in .223 but let's face it all recreational shooting is fun.
Save your 300 brass and load it for whatever activity, hunting or plinking. Brass is relatively cheap if reformed .223 is used....a warning keep your rifle mags and ammo clearly marked as Blackout, a 300 round in a 5.56 AR can become a loud kaboom!
The safety issue is well noted, but I do not and will not own any weapons chambered in .223/5.56.

I fully intend to reload for the gun, so saving the brass is a priority.

As I was pondering the trade, it occurred to me that I don't have a true affordable range rifle and I think this will fit the bill nicely. I have Milsurp rifles, but they cost a ton to shoot, even reloading for them and they can be a risky and expensive proposition if I put too much wear and tear on them.
 
How many of you guys sweat making a purchase on (____).....then after pulling the trigger keep shopping until you find it cheaper so you can make yourself feel bad.

*nature boy raises his hand*

Havok, I think you did great on your trade. Springfield sells 1911's all day every day. If you get to missing it you can go get another one.

He got what he wanted, you got what you wanted and you have a new toy to play with that sounds like you're excited about. Win/Win
 
How many of you guys sweat making a purchase on (____).....then after pulling the trigger keep shopping until you find it cheaper so you can make yourself feel bad.

*nature boy raises his hand*
*Raises hand, too*

Yep, if you are both happy at the time, it is a good deal. Like @Nature Boy said, you can always get another later, if you decide to. Now, if one is contemplating trading away something harder to replace, it might deserve a little more reflection. But, I would NEVER keep something I didn't like, just because of the replacement cost. It just might figure a little more into what I expect out of it.
 
Sound like you did real well, +1 on the 300 BO being a hoot, it's like the ultimate pistol caliber carbine.
 
".... but I do not and will not own any weapons chambered in .223/5.56." Why?
I have no use for the cartridge. It has tiny bullets that make spotting more difficult downrange and seem to make reloading them into cases a chore I just don't need. The cartridge certainly does nothing for me that a .22LR will not, but it obviously has a giant wave of followers and that's perfectly fine with me. For a range rifle, give me bigger holes in the target every day.

Regarding replacement of the Springfield, it shot extremely well, but believe it or not I have a Taurus PT1911 that can shoot circles around most other guns I own - and that's after over 20,000 hard rounds through it as a rental gun before I picked it up. For $250 it's pretty hard to replace!
 
I would say its a good trade. 2 guns for one(you didn't want). I trade like that all the time then sell one of the two I traded for. Another plus is if you ever get tired of the 300BO you can also swap to a variety of calibers with a barrel and mag swap. I have some formed 300 brass from mixed 223, PM me if you are interested. I do love to trade!
 
I sent a PM. You are correct, the versatility of the platform allows for many options with minimal changeover.
 
I have no use for the cartridge. It has tiny bullets that make spotting more difficult downrange and seem to make reloading them into cases a chore I just don't need. The cartridge certainly does nothing for me that a .22LR will not, but it obviously has a giant wave of followers and that's perfectly fine with me. For a range rifle, give me bigger holes in the target every day.

Regarding replacement of the Springfield, it shot extremely well, but believe it or not I have a Taurus PT1911 that can shoot circles around most other guns I own - and that's after over 20,000 hard rounds through it as a rental gun before I picked it up. For $250 it's pretty hard to replace!
I have a few 1911s and at one time I had (to me) several. I had a PT1911 (Talo / blued) that was absolutely perfect. You know we'll get bashed praising anything Taurus.:) I respect your opinion regarding .223/5.56, however, having used it in combat, I'm here to tell you there is no comparing the round to a .22lr. You are right about engaging paper targets. But I love my 10/22 for bottom feeders like armadillos, skunks, opossums. Thanks.
 
The cartridge certainly does nothing for me that a .22LR will not,

I guess the key phrase here is "nothing for me" which makes all the sense in the world if your uses are restricted to a .22 rimfire caliber. But, as you no doubt know, a .22 rimfire cartridge is not in the same league ballistically speaking as the .223/5.56 cartridge. And if you reload, well, there really is no comparison.
 
I have a few 1911s and at one time I had (to me) several. I had a PT1911 (Talo / blued) that was absolutely perfect. You know we'll get bashed praising anything Taurus.:) I respect your opinion regarding .223/5.56, however, having used it in combat, I'm here to tell you there is no comparing the round to a .22lr. You are right about engaging paper targets. But I love my 10/22 for bottom feeders like armadillos, skunks, opossums. Thanks.

My 10/22 fills the same role as a .223 would at the same distance (100 yards or less currently) and I already reload for .308, .30-06 and .30 Carbine, so with those various bullets laying around that's another nail in the coffin for .223 for me (and one I originally forgot to mention). I try as much as I can to collect cartridges that utilize the same components, both for cost saving and reduction of clutter in the reloading room.

Who knows though, about anything can happen. At least I have a backup option should .300 BO go the way of the dinosaur. I once said awhile back I would *never* buy a new gun because I had completed my collection. While that statement is still technically true, it hasn't prevented a good deal of trading
 
I suppose I should clarify my .22 LR statement anyhow. I have never shot any weapon beyond 100 yards simply because I have never had easy access to a range longer than that. I suppose my tastes trend toward pistols anyway (although I do occasionally shoot those at 100 yards). I recently moved and now live within an hour of a 350-yard and 1000-yard known-distance ranges, plus I have some friends with land who have offered to let me come out and shoot. I don't hunt or use rifles defensively, and actually my .22 LR pistols and rifles only come out when I am teaching someone to shoot.
 
I have never shot any weapon beyond 100 yards.

Curious, but then why do you load for both .308 and .30-06? What does one do at that range that the other does not, if that is your justification for staying out of .223? To each their own, and I am not trying to persuade anyone of anything one way or the other. Just, as my first word, curious.
 
A good question for sure. I own an M1 Garand which is what propelled me into reloading. It has been one of my favorite guns, but the cost of shooting it still hurts a bit.

A few years ago I picked up a PTR-91 in .308 and logically thought I would save money reloading for it. This turned out to be untrue as the fluted chamber on the PTR chews up brass. Once my supply of .308 brass dries up I will stop loading for it. I may rechamber my M1 in .308 somewhere down the road just to get rid of another caliber, but that's a ways off.
 
I dont reload, so .223 is a total winner for me with cheap ammo available for 20 cents per round. Then again, I dont shoot paper for groups, I shoot steel, so ammo quality doesnt really matter out to 400m.
 
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