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I lost a gunfight.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Amadeus, Sep 2, 2004.

  1. Amadeus

    Amadeus Well-Known Member

    Fortunately it only happened on the range. But it gave me a graphic illustration of what can occur when things go wrong.

    I realized after I wrote the story that it might be entertaining for some of the folks around here. Have a look at it on my weblog: http://originalorangutan.blogspot.com
  2. Werewolf

    Werewolf Well-Known Member

    Me too... And it really got my attention.

    I took my future son in law to the range one Sunday. He was shooting his Sig and I shared all my stuff with him. About 2 hours in we noted an old bowling pin just laying around and decided on a little competition.

    We sat the pin up at about 15 yards, layed our pistols on the bench in front of us and told my daughter to yell go. At that point we were to retrieve our pistols and knock down the pin. I fully expected to wax him.

    Long story short - he kicked my ass. After hearing go from my daughter I barely had the pin in my sights and down it went but not from my shot from my son in law's. Now I'm no speed demon but I'm hardly what one would call slow. He was fast. I'm estimating that it took no more than .5 to .75 seconds for him to pick up his pistol and fire the shot that knocked down the pin. Take into account that the average time it takes for a person to process input and send signals to the appropriate appendage is .3 seconds and well...

    That little exercise was a real wake up call for me. I warn't near as good as I thought. I now practice speed drills but he still kicks my ass. I've tried to get him to try some IPSC competitions and he wants to but alas he usually has to work weekends so so far hasn't been able. I think he'd do really well.
  3. one-shot-one

    one-shot-one Well-Known Member


    as one tv cowboy said (i'm para-phrasing) bowling pins and targets don't shoot back, in a real gun fight it is not always the fastest who comes out on top. still its better to be fast better tet to be fast and accurate.
  4. Malamute

    Malamute Well-Known Member

    Just yesterday I had my first failure to extract in my Springfield 1911A1. Factory Wincheser 230 gr ball. I've had it for 2 or 3 years, and was just getting comfortable thinking it was pretty reliable. It has now been permanently added to the "toy" catagory that I have long felt all autos belong to.
    My Smith 4" model 29 has NEVER failed to function. 23 years, many thousands of rounds thru it, many hard miles of daily carry with little or no maintainance for 6 months or more at times. A heck of a lot more flexible in this country (NW Wyoming) also. For me and many others around here auto's are "town guns" or "toys" for range time, but not to be taken seriously. For anything I'll deal with I'd take my Ruger SA 45 or Smith 29 over any auto.
  5. Trebor

    Trebor Well-Known Member

    My best friend isn't a shooter. He likes guns, but doesn't own any and doesn't get to the range except with me maybe once or twice a year.

    Why then, does he always kick my but with MY CZ-75B when we get together? He only shoots the thing with me and doesn't practice on his own.

    If I could afford it, I'd just give him the darn gun.
  6. .45&TKD

    .45&TKD Well-Known Member

    I put a Wilson Bullet Proof Extractor in my Springfield Loaded and haven't had a failure since. Prior to that I had many failures even with extractor tuning.
  7. Malamute

    Malamute Well-Known Member

    But why? I have a gun that works without putting anything but ammo in it, not to mention that it is a lot more useful. The auto is a very limited purpose gun, the heavy revolver is an all purpose gun for anything that a handgun could be called upon. I just can't justify spending money or energy on something that is more of a recreational item than a practical gun for this area.

    I don't mean to sound negative about someone liking to tinker with their guns, or if you like to clean them regularly. If I lived in a town or somewhere that a large bunch of bad guys were an issue I might feel different about autos. I've just made a carrer of staying away from cities, and spending a lot of time in the hills. Bears are a very real issue here, and could literally be out the front door. The power and load flexibilty of the heavy revolvers is much more practical for an everyday gun. I also gotten into the bad habit of not cleaning my guns as a hobby, instead only clean them at infrequent intervals. This has not been an issue as far as reliabilty in a Smith DA or Ruger SA revolver tho. I clean them when they need it, which is not very often, and they still work always, 100%. Just my experience.
  8. JerryM

    JerryM Well-Known Member

    I must share this

    I once went to the range with a friend who is a LE. I have several 8 in steel plates and some bowling pins.

    I set up three plates in front of him and three in front of me. I then put the bowling pin in the center.

    I told him that three of the plates were his and three mine. That the rule was whoever got the pin won.

    We started shooting and he began to shoot his plates, while I just "up and shot" the pin, and told him I won. He argued but had to admit that I did not say that we had to shoot the plates.

    If you are old and slow it might prove useful to be scheming and cheat when necessary. It also helps to be the one who makes up the rules.
    Anyone want to play one of my games?? :D :D

  9. JerryM

    JerryM Well-Known Member


    When you are out at night, take your son-in-law with you. :D

  10. Amadeus

    Amadeus Well-Known Member

    Wow!! I just checked in -- 828 views? Impressive. I wonder if any of those actually checked out my story.

    By the way JerryM -- I'll have to try that bowling pin trick. Considering my crowd though I am fairly certain that few would fall for it.
  11. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    That's how young fighters get to be old fighters.
  12. Amadeus

    Amadeus Well-Known Member

    I received such a good response to the first parts of the story that I feel obligated to invite you all to read the latest installment. The story continues with my September 5th post. Tap Rack Roll Act II.

  13. Ironbarr

    Ironbarr Member In Memoriam


    well. I declare... you actually did that to a man with a gun in his hand? More guts than I'd have.:D

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