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Though my two semiautos are both .45s, I've been wanting a 10mm for a goodly while.

My problem is this: I don't especially like the Glock 20 (and think that the $610 the G20/21s around here go for is too much for a poly framed gun), it doesn't fit my hand especially well (though I've never shot a Glock) and the Glock line really doesn't appeal to my sense of style. Well, a 15+1 10mm autoloader does, but a Glock doesn't, if that makes any sense. Even with the added eclectic-ness of being an oddball like 10mm, Glocks are just too...I don't know..."you will be assimilated" for my taste. Maybe if I customized it...Glocks don't really lend themselves to personalization (nor do most polymer framed guns), but a Robar grip reduction and a hard-chromed slide would make it stand out, at least....

Anyway.

On the other hand, the Witness might be okay, but I'm worried that it won't be as strong as other 10mm guns out there (and you want strength in a 10mm gun), and that if anything goes wrong with it I'm prettymuch screwed as EAA's customer service reps, hate, you know, people. Like people in general. Prettymuch everybody.

So...what's to be done?

I had this crazy idea that I could maybe get a 10mm slide and barrel fitted to my NRM Gov't Model. After that, slap in a 10mm magazine and in theory I'd be good to go.

Is there any reason this won't work? The 1911 has a frame-mounted feed ramp, correct? Will the .45 feed ramp work with 10mm?

The only other option, as I see it, would be to *sigh* go custom, which I really can't afford.
 
1911 style 10mm's seem not to last very well either. If you really want a beast of a gun to handle the 10mm, enter the MEGASTAR

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Weighing slightly over three pounds unloaded, this gun is scarry huge. It will also never break for that reason, and has CZ style external frame rails, which lend themselves to excellent accuracy. You can use post ban .45 magazines loaded with 10mm to achieve higher capacity, although you may be able to find some pre bans (though at considerable cost as the gun came out in 1993)
 
A 1911 will hold up to 10mm if it is set up correctly and the Witness is supposed to hold up well to the 10mm. As far as building a 1911 in 10mm, you might want to start with a 38 Super/9mm frame, since that is what Colt did and their 10mm's had a good reputation for reliability. My Delta Elite is the only 1911 that I have that will feed empty shells!
 
I read that Kimber is going to make a 10mm. I asked on one f the threads if it would be strong enough and the consensus was that it would be plenty strong.
 
FWIW, right now there are several original blue Colt Delta Elite 10mms on GunsAmerica.com at what I feel are quite affordable prices.

I just bought one from the Buy/Sell Handguns section here on THR. It was made in 1990, never fired or dis-assembled. It did not come with the box but the pistol is pristine. :D

The unfired status will change this coming week.
 
Another option is to find a used Smith 1006. Very strong, accurate, and reliable (well, the non-FBI trigger group, at least.)
 
S&W 10mms ....


Yeah, I agree with Drifting. You might want to check out the Smith 10mms if you can find them. You can still get factory grips, with your choice of straight or arched backstrap, or you can get the soft rubber Hogues.

If you come across any Smith 45XX-series pistols, they're built on the same large frame as the 10XX-series guns. Chances are, if your hand likes the feel of a Smith 45XX gun, you'll be fine with a Smith 10mm's grip. These guns are built like tanks and are very accurate.

HTH.
 
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I have a DW razorback, and love it!, Kimber is coming out with one next month, also rumor has it SA might be coming out with one , so look around and see whats out there!
 
NC,

Is your .45 1911 frame going to have the right ejector?

Stans, what is a 9mm/.38 frame? Just a different ejector or what?


Bargain Delta's are $850! Ouch.


Another choice would be the Springfield Omega. It was built with a Peters Stahl linkless top end and polygonal barrel. The prices are start lower than a used Delta. There's a ported 6" on Gunsamerica for $900.

I don't think the Witness is a big risk at $350. My .45 was very nice and accurate.
 
AGT is correct. (Not that he wasn't.)

I have a S&W 1006 10mm that the local pd used to carry a few years ago. I sold it and then bought it back. I have a few Glocks as well but nothing in the 10mm cal. Glock is fine if you like the frame and it fits good. If not, leave them alone.

I really like the Smith because of several features. If you drop the mag and there is one in the chamber, it will NOT fire. Everything on this gun is smooth as silk. Grips are interchangable and so on. If you can find one, grab it. You'll be glad you did.
 
Another recommendation to look at S&W 10xx series. KY Imports has the 1076, old FBI gun for under $400, used. I am seriously considering trading my Beretta 92 for a 1076/1066. I too do not care for the Glock, and I should qualify that I have owned 3 of them, G19, G21, G26. The more I research the S&W line of 3rd gen 10mm autos I am more and more convinced they are the strongest out there. Hope this helps. Mike

Also, I got a S&W 6906 from KY Imports and it turned out to be a virtually new pistol, all @ $300. I will buy from them again.

www.kyimports.com
 
While you are looking for a steel framed 10mm, it wouldn't hurt to give a
Glock 20 a try at your local range that rents. It would give you an excuse to shoot a Glock.

Good luck,
Rich
 
Stans, what is a 9mm/.38 frame? Just a different ejector or what?
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The frame feed ramp in 45 ACP 1911's is cut a little deeper than in 9mm, 38 Super, or 10mm. 10mm may work reliably in a 45 frame, only one way to find our for sure.;) Colt's 10mm did use a 9mm/38 Super ejector and the slide was machined for this size ejector. To me it looks like Colt took the 38 Super 1911 and modified it for 10mm. And I agree, the best way to get a 1911 in 10mm, if you can't buy one, is to modify one that is already in 40S&W.
 
Dan Wesson Razorback, I have 3 of them. They are built like tanks and with alittle tweaking they run great.
 
The 1076/1066 is a great platform for the 10mm. They are durable, accurate, and heavy enough to tame the recoil. The recoil really isn't that bad. I wish there was more hardware available as I think the popularity of the round would increase. It is one fun round though. Try the Georgia arms 155gr @1375fps.
 
I see the 97b was not to your liking...

The Razorback is a good 10mm, and you can get it with a clean slide.
Les baer will make you a 10mm and you can get it with a clean slide.
There are a bunch of colts out there if you have the patience.

Frankly though for real raw 10mm power, it is my opinion that the g20 and witness are the way to go. My witness is reasonably accurate but very reliable and the g20 with a kkm barrel is great!
 
I see the 97b was not to your liking...
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I love my CZ-97B. It isn't perfect, but I like it far too much to sell. I'd snag a 10mm one of those in a heartbeat, if they were made (and believe me, there IS a difference between a Witness and a real CZ).

I didn't know you could get clean slide razorbacks. One with vertical serrations would be REAL nice, but that might be pushing it.

Les Baer...ooh, pricey...
 
Originally posted by Nightcrawler
I didn't know you could get clean slide razorbacks. One with vertical serrations would be REAL nice, but that might be pushing it.

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As far as I know the manufacturing run of RZ's is completed but Lew Hortons ordered a mix of FCS and NFCS along with a mix of sight options (Bomar and Novak clones and fixed).

The NFCS and optional sights were ONLY on those numbered lower than 150. 151-650 got FCS's and Bomar style. Back January-March you could order the RZ the way you liked it within a menu of standard items. Somewhere between 75 and 100 of the "first" 150 were accounted for this way. Along about March Lew Horton's bought up the remaining numbers in an unknown mix of options. You'll have to call them to see if they have one that suits you. FWIW, I know for a fact that #51 currently resides in a shop in Nacogdoches TX and it is a NFCS/Bomar combo.

As for the straight serrations the RZ's all came with "enhanced" style diagonal serrations.

Dan Wesson does offer the 10mm in the Pointman Major line:

http://www.danwessonfirearms.com/pmnewcalibers.htm

Unfortunately they appear to have FCS's but DW HAS been known to do mix-n-match with frames and slides to suit a customers request if at all possible with existing frames/slides. It should be noted that DW does not make their own frames/slides and exactly what machining they do is unknown to me. The Patriot and RZ's have S&W frames and slides while the Pointman lines use another manufacturer's that has not been named beyond the assertion that it is an American company.
 
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