I want a revolver but know nothing! Help!

[Pfletch83]

And the Governor can use 2-1/2 inch .410 shells to top it all.

 

[Warp]

What does a little .410 shell do that .357 mag doesn't do, and probably do better?

What do you use for inexpensive practice in a governor? You use basic .38spl in a .357 for that...

 

[Pfletch83]

Throws 4 pellets per trigger pull which means that anything at close range that is hit by said '000' pellets is going to have their insides ground into hamburger (with each trigger pull)

How many rounds will someone need to become profecient at accurately launching a single projectile (throw in a stressful situation and you have more misses than hits)

 

[Warp]

Throws 4 pellets per trigger pull which means that anything at close range that is hit by said '000' pellets is going to have their insides ground into hamburger (with each trigger pull)

It sounds like you either sell these things/stand to profit from their sales, or you bought into marketing hype.

You still haven't given something it will do better than a .357 mag, while I have given things the .357 chambered gun will do better.

FYI: The .357 mag is plenty effective as a defense round. It gives up nothing to a little .410 shell out of a short barrel.

 

[Pfletch83]

Higher rate of fire,and more power than it's given credit for.

I don't sell .410 revolvers,I don't own one as of yet (paying for one in lay-n-wait at this time).

The same could be said of you about the .357 magnum (Keep in mind that I like a good revolver in .38 special and .357 magnum,it just turns out that I like the Governor as much,because it does have a good reason for being,and that reason is close range defensive applications).

Keep in mind that most defensive handgun encounters don't happen at longer ranges than a few yards,more happen at less than 10 feet,and at that range I like the idea of four pellets going down range at a threat,instead of one projectile that could miss or pass through completely.

The other reason for taking to the .410 revolver is that it shares ammo with my defensive shotgun (DFG Mk-1)

 

[Warp]

Higher rate of fire

How do you figure?

and more power than it's given credit for.

I think they are given more credit for power than they deserve. I think people get all hung up on thinking it's a hand held shotgun. Your 12 gauge and a .410 are vastly differently. A lot of people don't seem to get this, IME.

The same could be said of you about the .357 magnum

What could?

Keep in mind that most defensive handgun encounters don't happen at longer ranges than a few yards,more happen at less than 10 feet,and at that range I like the idea of four pellets going down range at a threat,instead of one projectile that could miss or pass through completely.

A .357 JHP that "passes through completely" will be putting a serious hurting on the attacker, and will dump almost all of its energy into the attacker (likely won't even come out the other side). Please don't say that like it's a bad thing.

The other reason for taking to the .410 revolver is that it shares ammo with my defensive shotgun (DFG Mk-1)

Does it share ammo with the OP's defensive shotgun?

 

[Pfletch83]

@Warp:

"It sounds like you either sell these things/stand to profit from their sales, or you bought into marketing hype."

Your words sir not mine.

True the Governor isn't a hand held shotgun....but it's the closest thing we can legally own without jumping through so much red tape.

And the Shotgun (DFG Mk-1) has more to offer than you think.

 

[Warp]

The "closest thing" isn't very close.

 

[Pfletch83]

How isn't it the closest thing?

besides the rifling what else is the deal?

 

[Warp]

How isn't the closest thing?

besides the rifling what else is the deal?

A .410 shotgun shell isn't all that powerful. You yourself argued that it was equivalent to a .45 ACP.

Do you understand that?

 

[Pfletch83]

from a revolver barrel not a shotgun barrel.

From a shotgun barrel (for example the DFG Mk-1 the pellets are leaving the muzzle at the original listed velocity of 1200fps or close enough to it that it doesn't really matter)

 

[Warp]

from a revolver barrel not a shotgun barrel.

From a shotgun barrel (for example the DFG Mk-1 the pellets are leaving the muzzle at the original listed velocity of 1200fps)

Good lord.

We are talking about from a revolver barrel.

Do you understand that?

 

[56hawk]

This is turning into quite an entertaining thread.

 

[Pfletch83]

Why bring him into it this is between you and me.


Besides even at the lower velocity (from a revolver barrel) of 850fps...the pellets still out number a single 230 grain bullet,even if someone were using a standard 1911-A1 and dumped the mag,it's still 7-8 shots vs 24...are you starting to understand now?

 

[Warp]

Besides even at the lower velocity (from a revolver barrel) of 850fps...the pellets still out number a single 230 grain bullet,even if someone were using a standard 1911-A1 and dumped the mag,it's still 7-8 shots vs 24...are you starting to understand now?

I would take 7-8 (or 14, that's how many my .45 ACP holds) 230gr JHP over 24 little 70gr pellets.

You probably should too.

It isn't that powerful. Get over it.


/I'm done

 

[Pfletch83]

The .410 has more firepower than you give it credit for.

How many times do you have to pull the trigger to empty the magazine?

that number vs 6 trigger pulls. I'll stick with the .410,you can stick with your choice.

 

[SabbathWolf]

I agree, but how many people take the time to take a tactical training course? How many then keep on training regularly? It may OK for YOU to run around your house with a gun cocked and ready to go, but I don't think that there are very many people that have the training and mindset to do that safely.

Don't take this personally, but I see a lot of braggadocio from people on the internet about what they would do in certain situations. I wonder though, just how well they would perform when the uh, stuff hits the fan.

I remember the first time I was in combat, even with the training I had, I was scared and nervous and really wasn't all that effective.

I see what you are saying, but I don't think we are on the same wave length here.

Why would I need to take a course and "pay" somebody else just to tell me to keep my finger off the trigger until I'm ready to shoot? You don't need a course for that.

I'm not sure where the "braggadocio" stuff is coming from though.
How does that relate to something as simple as this?
I "am" a 20 year retired army vet though.
You can PM me if you like, if you feel the need to talk about combat.
I'm sure a lot of other vets here would lend an ear too if you need to vent or talk about it with other vets.
We're here for you brother.

 

[SabbathWolf]

There are two big differences.


1. You can unload a cocked autopistol without decocking it even if it doesn't have a decocking system built into it. You can't safely unload a cocked revolver and very few, if any revolvers have a decocking system built into them.

If you cock a revolver and don't shoot, you now have two choices. Put it away cocked, or manually decock it while dealing with the adrenaline rush of thinking you were just about to have to shoot someone.

2. Any autopistol out there with a trigger pull comparable to the trigger pull of a revolver that's been cocked allows you to apply a manual safety. So you can easily put a cocked autopistol into a relatively safe condition by applying a safety--something that's not so easily done with a revolver.

As for whether the gun is cocked or not cocked....I don't have a bunch of different rules for all the various guns I own. It would be way too complicated that way. "Especially" under extreme stress just like you mention here.
I tend to look at home defense with firearms from the bigger picture.

What I mean by that is this....

Depending on what time of day or night it is, what I'm doing at the time, and what room I happen to be in at the time...if I needed to grab a HD firearm immediately, I could potentially end up with any one of several different weapons in my hand depending on what I was closer to at the given moment.

If I happen to grab a revolver or a semi-auto pistol and cock the hammer...I see it as no big deal.
Why?
Because, on a different night, it may have been a shotgun, a pistol caliber carbine or a rifle instead.
Once I chamber the first round in any of those weapons, there is "NO" hammer that I can "un"cock in the first place. Pull the trigger, and it goes bang.

So again, it is my stance that the "weight" of the trigger pull, the type of gun it is or isn't, and all that makes no difference at all.
I keep my finger off "EVERY" trigger until I'm ready to shoot.

Whether the gun in question has a safety on it or not, I also find irrelevant.
If somebody is breaking in to my home, or attacking a member of my family or me, I guarantee that if the gun "does" have a safety on it...it will be "off" in a heartbeat anyways.

 

[Warp]

As for whether the gun is cocked or not cocked....I don't have a bunch of different rules for all the various guns I own. It would be way too complicated that way. "Especially" under extreme stress just like you mention here.
I tend to look at home defense with firearms from the bigger picture.

What I mean by that is this....

Depending on what time of day or night it is, what I'm doing at the time, and what room I happen to be in at the time...if I needed to grab a HD firearm immediately, I could potentially end up with any one of several different weapons in my hand depending on what I was closer to at the given moment.

If I happen to grab a revolver or a semi-auto pistol and cock the hammer...I see it as no big deal.
Why?
Because, on a different night, it may have been a shotgun, a pistol caliber carbine or a rifle instead.
Once I chamber the first round in any of those weapons, there is "NO" hammer that I can "un"cock in the first place. Pull the trigger, and it goes bang.

So again, it is my stance that the "weight" of the trigger pull, the type of gun it is or isn't, and all that makes no difference at all.
I keep my finger off "EVERY" trigger until I'm ready to shoot.

Whether the gun in question has a safety on it or not, I also find irrelevant.
If somebody is breaking in to my home, or attacking a member of my family or me, I guarantee that if the gun "does" have a safety on it...it will be "off" in a heartbeat anyways.

To de-cock the revolver you have to pull the trigger.

How many of your defensive firearms do you have to pull the trigger on when you do not intend to fire?

In my mind a design that leads to having to pull the trigger, on a LOADED gun, when you do not intend to fire is not-so-good.

I mean, are you really okay with pulling the trigger, on a loaded gun, with no intention of firing?

 

[Pfletch83]

@Warp

So you're saying that the O.P. should stick with a semi-auto?


This is the revolver section of the forums you know.

 

[SabbathWolf]

Home defense use precludes a single action.



Anyone that has a choice between the two and has given the matter serious contemplation.

Traipsing around the house in the dark with adrenaline pumping with a hammer cocked that's released with a 2# trigger pull isn't very smart.

Traipsing around the house with your finger on the trigger isn't very smart.
Cocked or not makes no difference.
The weight of the pull is a non-issue.
Under stress at close range most people will yank the hell out of a trigger, I don't care "how" heavy it is.

And single action guns have killed thousands of people over the last 150 years or so. There is nothing inadequate about them at all....lol
I mean, I own a 12+1 shot 45acp semi-auto as well that I really like, but I'd still not be afraid to use my 6-gun in a SD situation either. They'll still kill ya just as dead.

 

[Warp]

@Warp

So you're saying that the O.P. should stick with a semi-auto?


This is the revolver section of the forums you know.

Even though I am 100% convinced you are trolling, I will answer this anyway:

You went all crazy on .45 love and how awesome the Judge or whatever is, and why it's a better choice than a .357 mag, because it'll fire 5 .45s for home defense. If that's the criteria, a semi auto that holds 14+ .45s would be even better. That's all.

Of course, I still say a 6 shot .357 mag is better than a 5 shot .45 or a 5 shot revolver with those little .410s.

I really am done now, as I will be off to bed.


y'all have fun now.

 

[Pfletch83]

I'm not trolling I simply explained my position about the Governor revolver and how it was a good choice for a close range defensive handgun.

Then you went on about the .357 ( which is fine) and then brought a .45 semi-auto into the argument....even though I was talking about a revolver...in the REVOLVER section of the forums.

There is a single action .45/.410 revolver made by US Firearms called the M4-410.

Something to think about.

 

[TennJed]

I love my my judge and I am pro governor. However it is not the best option for self defense and it is pretty absurd to use the fact that it can fire 3 obscure 45 cartridges in this thread. The only people that would benifit are reloaders of unusual calibers

 

[David E]

And single action guns have killed thousands of people over the last 150 years or so.

Yup. Many of them accidentally.