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If one wanted unbiased death by firearms stats...

Discussion in 'Activism Discussion and Planning' started by Sniper X, Jan 5, 2011.

  1. Sniper X

    Sniper X Well-Known Member

    Where would one get it? I am going to make a few points in a firearms training video I am going to start soon, and need current stats that are not from some liberal website that makes itself LOOK like a Government entity.

  2. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

  3. mstrat

    mstrat Well-Known Member

    The selection of stats to argue a point are obviously biased for our side with the following sources, HOWEVER, many many many of them are cited from presumably unbiased sources (law enforcement, government health/public safety organizations, various judicial branch offices, etc):

    JustFacts.com (the selection of facts on this one isn't necessarily biased either way, though)



    If you are going to reference any of this, I strongly recommend investigating and citing the original sources (which are cited in those sites) rather than citing the above-listed sites themselves.
    Last edited: Jan 5, 2011
  4. Sniper X

    Sniper X Well-Known Member

    I will address the sources in my video not only at the end in the end credits, and also in a tag line lower thirds graphic while I am speaking them as well.
  5. benEzra

    benEzra Moderator Emeritus

    Some interesting data points on homicide here (and you can go back to at least 2005 on the same website).


    That's particularly useful if you ever find yourself addressing the "assault weapon" fraud, since all rifles combined account for only 2.6% of murders.
  6. General Geoff

    General Geoff Well-Known Member

    Be aware that not all firearm deaths should necessarily be prevented. A very large portion of annual deaths-by-firearm are suicides, and I am a firm believer that one has a fundamental right to one's own life, which includes the right to end that life.
  7. Black Toe Knives

    Black Toe Knives Well-Known Member

    I believe 66% percent of gun deaths are suicides.
  8. wishin

    wishin Well-Known Member

    Very good point, and the potential quagmire of raw stats....
  9. Lonest@r

    Lonest@r Well-Known Member

  10. Strykervet

    Strykervet member

    The statistics don't take into account the number of shots needed, the actual shot that killed, or the calibre or training of the shooter. I was trying to find definitive information regarding wound ballistics and stubmbled upon this:

    http://www.gunthorp.com/Terminal Ballistics as viewed in a morgue.htm

    It is the observations of a former homicide cop turned morgue worker. This might provide some very useful information for your video. I think I'll go post this link in its own thread as the information is that useful.
  11. oneounceload

    oneounceload member

    Sorry, the CDC DOES have a anti-gun bias to their stats
  12. Lonest@r

    Lonest@r Well-Known Member

    Good point, would also be good to compare injuries, not just death.

    don't disagree the agency is anti-gun and may bias some numbers, but the actual numbers also show the CDC admits hospitals accidentally kill 160x more people than guns :)

    Unintentional hospital-acquired infection ~99,000

    Unintentional MV Traffic 42,031
    Unintentional Poisoning 29,846
    Unintentional Fall 22,631
    Unintentional Suffocation 5,997
    Unintentional Drowning 3,443
    Unintentional Fire/burn 3,375
    Unintentional Residential Fire/flame 2,902
    Unintentional Natural/environmental 1,449
    Unintentional Struck 832
    Unintentional Machinery 659

    Unintentional Firearm Deaths 613

    I'm more afraid of something accidentally falling on my head, than being shot.. And even considering violent firearm death (Homicide Firearm 12,632), I'm more afraid of accidental poisoning or falling off the roof :)
  13. Axel Larson

    Axel Larson Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the FBI website link Benezra.
  14. jrdale84

    jrdale84 Member

    No matter where you get the stats when you present them you will be considered BIAS. therefor using something like the FBI or CDC which are publicly known sources will back your point up.

    For example I say that the CDC says Aspritane causes cancer ... Your aunt Margret says it doesn't. Which source do you believe despite the fact I'm trying to convince you Diet Soda is bad for you?

    More people are killed in car accidents than firearms deaths anyways - also a good point to have :) check the DOT.

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