If you're wanting to get into an AR15 rifle for not a lot of cash, this is a pret

[ColoradoShooter77]

I built an AR from Palmetto over Memorial Day, $520 total cost. I'm very pleased with it. I'd rather have the PSA over the DPMS.

 

[MistWolf]

All a mid length gas system does is allow one to mount a bayonet on a 16" barrel.
Seriously, I'm not kidding.

Mounting a bayonet was sort of a serendipitous accident that the ad guys took advantage of. The developers were looking for a smoother operating carbine. They figured moving the gas port to tap the barrel where gas pressure was lower would help achieve that goal.

Whether or not a 16 inch middy shots smoother, it does result in a system that's easier to tune and is more forgiving. The higher pressure of the carbine gas system means gas port diameter is more critical than with the middy

 

[jhb]

but you're well heeled now and don't need to
Not everyone in this Obama economy is so well off.

Minis are quite expensive for what you get. Am i reading what you said all wrong...cause a mini is more expensive than a quality ar15 or akm.

 

[Onmilo]

Minis are quite expensive for what you get. Am i reading what you said all wrong...cause a mini is more expensive than a quality ar15 or akm.

Yep, you're reading into that post wrong and yep, Mini's are a bit too overpriced anymore for what you end up with.

 

[Huntolive]

Aropercs

I'd go w/ Jackal's AP nearly complete rifle from Brwnls in a heartbeat over entry DPMS: in my experience there is a reason the last 3 letters spell PMS

I fail to see much purpose off the battlefield for AR 15 anyway, in my state you can't hunt deer w/ it. The military admitted they wanted to switch to 6.5 Grendel, but didn't want to buy new uppers. So instead they just designed more deadly ammo.

 

[Browning]

I fail to see much purpose off the battlefield for AR 15 anyway, in my state you can't hunt deer w/ it. The military admitted they wanted to switch to 6.5 Grendel, but didn't want to buy new uppers. So instead they just designed more deadly ammo.

We can hunt deer with them here in Texas. I shot a buck not this last season but the one before that.

Went in here (front left shoulder) ....



...came out here (right side).



So, .223's can take deer fine.

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On topic : I'd rather have a PSA

 

[yugorpk]

I dont hunt with AR-15's . They have other uses.

I dont think I have more that $600 ( besides the $200 stamps ) in any of these besides the one with the folding stock . OK the Colt 14.5" M4 SOCOM upper on the bushy lower at top is probably on the high side of $700.Theyre all frankenguns and are all dead nuts reliable and as accurates as I am.

 

[giggitygiggity]

Yugorpk, what uppers and lowers do you have on those bottom three ARs? What kind of folding stock is that on the folded AR? The look like some good setups!

Browning, what kind of ammo were you using when you shot that deer? I've shot deer inside of 100 yards with a .30-06 loaded with Core Locts and had smaller exit wounds.

 

[yugorpk]

Yugorpk, what uppers and lowers do you have on those bottom three ARs? What kind of folding stock is that on the folded AR? The look like some good setups!

Browning, what kind of ammo were you using when you shot that deer? I've shot deer inside of 100 yards with a .30-06 loaded with Core Locts and had smaller exit wounds.

The folder has a milled Stoner Arms ( I liked the name ) lower and a generic side charging upper , Anderson $45 7.5 300 BO barrel with a LAW tactical side folder setup. Great shooting gun

The next lower one has a SIG lower with a generic upper and generic 300 BO barrel. 8.5" barrel Paid a princely $60 for that barrel.

Bottom one is a 5.56 Radical upper on a Rogue defense lower.

Forends are all ebay cheapy specials. All of them run flawlessly.

 

[MachIVshooter]

All a mid length gas system does is allow one to mount a bayonet on a 16" barrel.
Seriously, I'm not kidding.

Mounting a bayonet was sort of a serendipitous accident that the ad guys took advantage of. The developers were looking for a smoother operating carbine. They figured moving the gas port to tap the barrel where gas pressure was lower would help achieve that goal.

Whether or not a 16 inch middy shots smoother, it does result in a system that's easier to tune and is more forgiving. The higher pressure of the carbine gas system means gas port diameter is more critical than with the middy

Exactly. Middy has more appropriate dwell time for 16" 5.56 rifles. Carbine length systems belong on the 11-14.5" tubes for which it was designed.

I would venture that maybe .1% of AR buyers give a hoot about bayonet compatibility these days, yet the market has decided that Armalite's midlength gas system was a good idea, as evidenced by the fact that every manufacturer besides Colt offers them. PSA is arguably the largest seller of AR rifles and kits out there, and if you look through their 16" upper category, they offer 46 mid length uppers and just 9 carbine length.