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Illinois is likely to remain one of four states banning concealed weapons
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I am an Illinoisan. I have lived my entire life as an Illinoisan. I am sad now, as I have always been, by the ridiculous twerps who govern this fine state.
Crime is rampant in Chicago. Crime is rampant in Joliet. Crime is rampant in Aurora. Crime is rampant in Rockford. Crime is rampant in Springfield. Crime is rampant in...oh, never mind.
When the majority of these United States have now come to realize that individual law-abiding citizens are righteously entitled to protect themselves and their loved ones via CCW (even with local LE officers which I and my family hold in the highest regard), I have to wonder where the Illinoisan poltico's brains are at.
But, perhaps, I don't need to wonder....
After all....they have their "24 hour body guards" (i.e. the State LE)
After all....they have their "24 hour body guards" (i.e. the County LE)
After all....they have their "24 hour body guards" (i.e. the City LE)
After all....they have their "protection"......from whatever source...
Why should they give a _ _ _ _?
The common citizen be damned..........................
Crime is rampant in Chicago. Crime is rampant in Joliet. Crime is rampant in Aurora. Crime is rampant in Rockford. Crime is rampant in Springfield. Crime is rampant in...oh, never mind.
When the majority of these United States have now come to realize that individual law-abiding citizens are righteously entitled to protect themselves and their loved ones via CCW (even with local LE officers which I and my family hold in the highest regard), I have to wonder where the Illinoisan poltico's brains are at.
But, perhaps, I don't need to wonder....
After all....they have their "24 hour body guards" (i.e. the State LE)
After all....they have their "24 hour body guards" (i.e. the County LE)
After all....they have their "24 hour body guards" (i.e. the City LE)
After all....they have their "protection"......from whatever source...
Why should they give a _ _ _ _?
The common citizen be damned..........................
IndianaDean
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Spread the word around, stop electing them.
U.S.SFC_RET
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You gotta remember now a big inner city will rule your whole state now that's democracy.
hirundo82
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Actually, the way that it is going right now, Illinois unlikely to remain one of four states banning CCW. They may become one of three or one of two or one of one states banning it. Their position will become less and less defensible as the "blood in the streets" that politicians love to predict fails to materialize in other states as they legalize it.
Of course, that won't stop them from fighting it. It's for the children, of course. I just love that Chicago alderman are allowed by statute to CCW. It's fine for them, but not for the serfs.
Of course, that won't stop them from fighting it. It's for the children, of course. I just love that Chicago alderman are allowed by statute to CCW. It's fine for them, but not for the serfs.
Langenator
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You know, if that's true, you could probably file a very interesting equal protection clause lawsuit.
Standing Wolf
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It is true, and one could, indeed, file a law suit; it would be summarily dismissed, however, by virtually any court in Illinois. Leftist extremism is all-corrupting.
Langenator,
It's true but not in the sense you're thinking of. 720 ILCS 5/24 Unlawful Use of Weapons exempts Peace Officers from the prohibition on carrying firearms on their person and transporting firearms. Mayors, aldermen, city councilmen, county board members can all meet the definition of Peace Officer depending on how the charter or ordinances of the city or county defines the duties of their position.
However unless they complete the required firearms training for a peace officer as specified by the Police Training Board, they can get in trouble if they carry outside of their own little kingdom. There was a case in metroeast a couple years ago where the mayor of a small town was caught transporting a loaded pistol in his car. He was charged with UUW and the peace officer defense didn't stick because he wasn't registed and certified by thr training board and he was not in the small town he was mayor of. It was ruled that he could carry in his little town, but once he passed the city limits, his peace officer status ended.
Jeff
It's true but not in the sense you're thinking of. 720 ILCS 5/24 Unlawful Use of Weapons exempts Peace Officers from the prohibition on carrying firearms on their person and transporting firearms. Mayors, aldermen, city councilmen, county board members can all meet the definition of Peace Officer depending on how the charter or ordinances of the city or county defines the duties of their position.
However unless they complete the required firearms training for a peace officer as specified by the Police Training Board, they can get in trouble if they carry outside of their own little kingdom. There was a case in metroeast a couple years ago where the mayor of a small town was caught transporting a loaded pistol in his car. He was charged with UUW and the peace officer defense didn't stick because he wasn't registed and certified by thr training board and he was not in the small town he was mayor of. It was ruled that he could carry in his little town, but once he passed the city limits, his peace officer status ended.
Jeff
a little hope...
I met this guy the other day that said he was running for IL. governer. He said his name was Jim Oberweis. The first thing I asked him was his veiw on guns, (lol) he showed me his foid card ! He said he's all for the second amendment and that if he makes gov. he will introduce a bill for ccw.I don't know much else about him but it already sounds better than what we've got now... He has my vote...jus thought I'd pass it along...BC
I met this guy the other day that said he was running for IL. governer. He said his name was Jim Oberweis. The first thing I asked him was his veiw on guns, (lol) he showed me his foid card ! He said he's all for the second amendment and that if he makes gov. he will introduce a bill for ccw.I don't know much else about him but it already sounds better than what we've got now... He has my vote...jus thought I'd pass it along...BC
Langenator said:
There was an incident some years back where a Chicago Alderwoman got angry at pointed questsions at one of her "meet the plebes" sessions. She pulled out her revolver and started pointing it at the crowd. She never did get arrested for that stunt.
Illinois Politicians
Let's just remember that the Illinois primary is in a few weeks. We need to send a strong message. Personally I'm going with Brady. He seems to have the proven 2nd Amend. track record. Things are not going to change by themselves, the best thing we can do is contact our local reps and get on them. If we sit here and grip to one another it means nothing.
The general rule of thumb is drop them a letter. Believe it or not, most elected officials feel that each letter they receive represents in the area of about 4-6 votes. I mix and match between mailings and emails. On the tough issues I will mail them, on general stuff I email. Be polite, be factual, and be brief. Just letting them know where you stand and that your holding them accountable will carry it's own weight. When you get a reply back stating they support your position, don't hesitate to throw them back an "atta boy". I keep telling people,..... you elect them, they are your employees. Treat them good.
If we do not take action now, we will be responsible when they take our guns away later.
IMHO,
Andrew
Let's just remember that the Illinois primary is in a few weeks. We need to send a strong message. Personally I'm going with Brady. He seems to have the proven 2nd Amend. track record. Things are not going to change by themselves, the best thing we can do is contact our local reps and get on them. If we sit here and grip to one another it means nothing.
The general rule of thumb is drop them a letter. Believe it or not, most elected officials feel that each letter they receive represents in the area of about 4-6 votes. I mix and match between mailings and emails. On the tough issues I will mail them, on general stuff I email. Be polite, be factual, and be brief. Just letting them know where you stand and that your holding them accountable will carry it's own weight. When you get a reply back stating they support your position, don't hesitate to throw them back an "atta boy". I keep telling people,..... you elect them, they are your employees. Treat them good.
If we do not take action now, we will be responsible when they take our guns away later.
IMHO,
Andrew
excellent post Huntzman !
"Things are not going to change by themselves" That hits the nail on the head ! We ALL need to get off our asses and make an effort to let our Reps.,Sen.,and the Governor know how we feel ! This is the ONLY way anything is going to get done ! ...BC
"Things are not going to change by themselves" That hits the nail on the head ! We ALL need to get off our asses and make an effort to let our Reps.,Sen.,and the Governor know how we feel ! This is the ONLY way anything is going to get done ! ...BC
DonP
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Dorothy Tillman
"There was an incident some years back where a Chicago Alderwoman got angry at pointed questsions at one of her "meet the plebes" sessions. She pulled out her revolver and started pointing it at the crowd. She never did get arrested for that stunt."
That was no woman, that was Dorothy "The Hat" Tillman and it was right in the middle of a Chicago city council meeting where they were discussing police security for an upcoming election because of some briock throwing incidents at ward headquarters. (That was back when there was an actual Republican party in Illinois, as opposed to our current crop of Poseurs).
She stood up, interupted the speaker, and pulled her loaded revolver and brandished it, finger on the trigger, to prove she didn't need any extra protection.
IIRC, it was a J-frame S&W (?) and she bragged about how she could use it to protect herself. I used to have the video clip of it on an older computer. Lost it in the transition.
Different rules for the serfs you know.
"There was an incident some years back where a Chicago Alderwoman got angry at pointed questsions at one of her "meet the plebes" sessions. She pulled out her revolver and started pointing it at the crowd. She never did get arrested for that stunt."
That was no woman, that was Dorothy "The Hat" Tillman and it was right in the middle of a Chicago city council meeting where they were discussing police security for an upcoming election because of some briock throwing incidents at ward headquarters. (That was back when there was an actual Republican party in Illinois, as opposed to our current crop of Poseurs).
She stood up, interupted the speaker, and pulled her loaded revolver and brandished it, finger on the trigger, to prove she didn't need any extra protection.
IIRC, it was a J-frame S&W (?) and she bragged about how she could use it to protect herself. I used to have the video clip of it on an older computer. Lost it in the transition.
Different rules for the serfs you know.
MN_Strelok
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The powers that be in the Illinois Republican Party have already decided on Topinka. That much is a done deal. She is as bad on guns as her political mentor George Ryan. Perhaps Oberwies could give her a run, but don't let anyone fool you, the next republican candidate has been selected and the primary is merely a formality. Bob Kjellander is the made man from Illinois in national republican politics. Treasurer of the Republican National Committee, and no republican rises to any prominence in Illinois without his approval.
We have to fight in the legislature. That or wait until Daley and Kjellander die and see what emerges from the power struggle in both parties.
Jeff
We have to fight in the legislature. That or wait until Daley and Kjellander die and see what emerges from the power struggle in both parties.
Jeff
Turkey Creek
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I have to traverse the People's Republik when I go to see my ailing Father in Daleyville who has been transplanted into a nursing home from Michigan by my big city sister and when I go to see half of my grandchildren in Paducah- for many reasons I am far more comfortable when I cross the Kentucky line and when I return to part of the real world in Missouri- no one could pay me enough to live in the PRI
scout26
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MN_Strelok said:
That was the "Deal Made with the Devil" He and Peter Roskam (R)-Wheaton basically said "Fine, we'll eliminate the so-called Gun Show Loophole, and you destroy the ISP database of firearm purchases." The Gov. signed another bill that eliminated the so-called Loophole and left the database intact.
You might want to check out SB2963 (Repeal of the FOID Act). He's also been a sponsor of CCW legislation.
DonP
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Topinka = Moderate Democrat
Have any of you ever seen Judy Baar Topinka and broadway and film star Harvey Fierstein (Torch Song Trilogy, Hairspray, Kull the Conqueror etc.) in the same room at the same time?
They are the same person. Fierstein is just Topinka in drag, only he smokes a lot less, is more feminine in his mannerisms, and is better briefed on statewide issues.
"The powers that be in the Illinois Republican Party have already decided on Topinka."
I know you're probably right Jeff, it's just really depressing.
This from the same brain trust that ran Allan Keyes against Obama so successfully. I think the state GOP takes lessons in putting their foot in their mouth from the NY GOP organization.
Agreed, when Daley and Kjellander both choke on a Polish at Taste of Chicago and keel over the ensuing confusion will put the whole city and state up for grabs while they bicker over the power structure. Just like when Old Man Daley kicked and Harold fell face down in the mashed potatoes.
But we still don't have a GOP party with any real infrastructure or charismatic leadership to step up with new ideas and a new, alternative approach to "business as usual" in Springfield to take advantage of the feud between Guitierriz and Jesse Jr. that will follow.
I guess maybe I'll feel better when Ryan finally goes behind bars for a while at the "Dan Rostenkowski Memorial Country Club for Wayward Governors".
Illinois Governors Motto: "Will the defendant please rise and face the jury".
Have any of you ever seen Judy Baar Topinka and broadway and film star Harvey Fierstein (Torch Song Trilogy, Hairspray, Kull the Conqueror etc.) in the same room at the same time?
They are the same person. Fierstein is just Topinka in drag, only he smokes a lot less, is more feminine in his mannerisms, and is better briefed on statewide issues.
"The powers that be in the Illinois Republican Party have already decided on Topinka."
I know you're probably right Jeff, it's just really depressing.
This from the same brain trust that ran Allan Keyes against Obama so successfully. I think the state GOP takes lessons in putting their foot in their mouth from the NY GOP organization.
Agreed, when Daley and Kjellander both choke on a Polish at Taste of Chicago and keel over the ensuing confusion will put the whole city and state up for grabs while they bicker over the power structure. Just like when Old Man Daley kicked and Harold fell face down in the mashed potatoes.
But we still don't have a GOP party with any real infrastructure or charismatic leadership to step up with new ideas and a new, alternative approach to "business as usual" in Springfield to take advantage of the feud between Guitierriz and Jesse Jr. that will follow.
I guess maybe I'll feel better when Ryan finally goes behind bars for a while at the "Dan Rostenkowski Memorial Country Club for Wayward Governors".
Illinois Governors Motto: "Will the defendant please rise and face the jury".
Byron Quick
Moderator In Memoriam
I don't know what to say except good luck, guys.
Autolycus
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Langenator said:
I didnt think of that. Thats a good idea.
As a sidenote I believe Governor Candidate Brady is trying to reappeal the law that gives alderman the ability to CCW.
Autolycus
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Huntzman said:Let's just remember that the Illinois primary is in a few weeks. We need to send a strong message. Personally I'm going with Brady. He seems to have the proven 2nd Amend. track record. Things are not going to change by themselves, the best thing we can do is contact our local reps and get on them. If we sit here and grip to one another it means nothing.
The general rule of thumb is drop them a letter. Believe it or not, most elected officials feel that each letter they receive represents in the area of about 4-6 votes. I mix and match between mailings and emails. On the tough issues I will mail them, on general stuff I email. Be polite, be factual, and be brief. Just letting them know where you stand and that your holding them accountable will carry it's own weight. When you get a reply back stating they support your position, don't hesitate to throw them back an "atta boy". I keep telling people,..... you elect them, they are your employees. Treat them good.
If we do not take action now, we will be responsible when they take our guns away later.
IMHO,
Andrew
Excellent Posting.
Autolycus
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Huntzman said:Let's just remember that the Illinois primary is in a few weeks. We need to send a strong message. Personally I'm going with Brady. He seems to have the proven 2nd Amend. track record. Things are not going to change by themselves, the best thing we can do is contact our local reps and get on them. If we sit here and grip to one another it means nothing.
The general rule of thumb is drop them a letter. Believe it or not, most elected officials feel that each letter they receive represents in the area of about 4-6 votes. I mix and match between mailings and emails. On the tough issues I will mail them, on general stuff I email. Be polite, be factual, and be brief. Just letting them know where you stand and that your holding them accountable will carry it's own weight. When you get a reply back stating they support your position, don't hesitate to throw them back an "atta boy". I keep telling people,..... you elect them, they are your employees. Treat them good.
If we do not take action now, we will be responsible when they take our guns away later.
IMHO,
Andrew
Excellent Posting.
Autolycus
Member
Dr.Who said:
I will vote Libertarian. I am not to found of either party. I vill vote Libertarian in all national elections from now on. However on this particular instance I will vote Republican as the Libertarians really dont stand a chance IMHO.
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