2. Anyone want to take the "frozen winter coat" challenge, go stand 100 yards down range and take a few shots from the M1 Carbine and see how "ineffective" it is? Clearly there are multiple reasons that it "appeared" ineffective, as articulated throughout this thread - misses, distance, perception, poor shot placement, unfair head-to-head comparison versus the Garand, very motivated and/or drugged enemy Soldiers (who could not retreat because of the consequences, who may have sought capture and hospitality, etc.), and on and on... I seriously question anyone - veteran or otherwise - who honestly thinks that a intermediate weight/caliber bullet (.30 caliber or even 5.56) who thinks that it's "ineffective" at killing... because there are hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of piled bodies globally that say otherwise... and I've seen a handful of them (5.56 related).