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Intermediate Carbine at Tac-Pro Shooting Center AAR (now with pics)

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The placement of the chest rig holster makes me wonder how easily you can draw the gun.

It seems to me it would work better under the left arm, butt to front, same as a standard shoulder holster.

Is there a specific reason you have it set up that way?
 
That is one of the great things about training. You get to test your ideas about reality against actual reality. That particular gear set-up for my pistol is one of my ideas that didn't fare as well against reality.

My thinking at the time was that I wasted a lot of time either getting ready for the firing line or making myself look presentable so I could run into town for lunch/what-have-you. I decided I wanted a single set of LBE that had everything I needed for training on it that I could easily throw on. I also liked the idea that I could have this set up around the house and have everything I trained with ready for a defensive scenario. This meant having a pistol on the chest rig.

At the same time, I wanted to keep my CCW pistol (which you can also see in the pics) because it made finishing for the day as easy as taking off the chest rig and putting on a cover garment.

It seems to me it would work better under the left arm, butt to front, same as a standard shoulder holster.

There are several reasons I chose not to even consider crossdraw when I decided to mount the pistol on the chest rig:

1. It would involve training a whole new set of muscle memory for pistol draw that was substantially different from what I had been training for 5-6 years and tens of thousands of rounds at that point.

2. I train to keep control of the rifle muzzle during transition by tucking it under my weakside arm or holding it with my weak hand. Because the rifle would be covering a crossdraw holster, I would either need to convince my instructor to change his curriculum or I would have to try and dig the pistol out from underneath my rifle. I would also have a hard time not sweeping myself during the draw as a result.

3. Because this training is conducted with multiple people, I would also be sweeping everybody to the left of me with a loaded pistol during every transition. Naturally, the instructor would not have let that happen even if I had been willing to try it.

Is there a specific reason you have it set up that way?

It is set up that way; because moving it slightly forward keeps it from banging against my CCW piece, which I was also wearing (for convenience sake and because I kept reaching for my CCW piece out of habit). It is up slightly higher because the MOLLE attachments for the holster start around where the trigger guard is - so if I mounted it low enough to be comfortable, it would basically be attached by a single MOLLE strap and be obnoxiously floppy during movement (not to mention pointing at my lower anatomy frequently).

In that position, I basically use the same muscle memory as I do with my CCW piece, I just pick up the pistol in a slightly different spot and I have to extend up a little more. In the end, that didn't work as well as I would have liked and I mounted the holster as low as it would go and then secured the top of the holster to the chest rig with zip ties. That solved the flopping problem and made the holster easier to use.

Currently, I still have my chest rig set up that way; but I rarely carry the pistol on the chest rig anymore. I've gone back to using the belt rig (though I haven't been able to do much shooting of any kind in the last year). What little time I saved going to and from the range was more than burnt up by having to unload/make safe and load/make ready three different pistols while going from the firing line to the schoolhouse and vice versa. In addition, I continued to try and draw my CCW, so despite the similarity of muscle memory, it wasn't working for me.

The only places where that rig was really handy were when we did the vehicle stuff. The chest rig holster was a lot easier to draw from and get into action while sitting in a vehicle with your seatbelt on.

Right now, I am rethinking the chest rig entirely. I like chest rigs and they have a lot of pluses - not the least of which is that your magazines are right where they need to be for economy of movement; but there are some advantages to a slicker profile too.
 
Bartholomew,

You are right about your not wanting a true shoulder holster position, for the reasons you give.

The only reason for a shoulder holster at all,(IMHO) is as a business dressed body guard, who only carries a horizontal rig, only ever.

This means training is a one person deal, but for the body guard, a perfect method, sitting, driving, standing, the suit jacket does not have to move, in fact standing with arms folded, you can actually have your hand on your pistol.
 
Just curious about day 1, did some of the guys not have their rifles zereoed before the class? Seems strange to me that in a 3 day class you'd want to spend any time zeroing.

Have you ever tried a drop leg holster? They can be annoying if you're doing much running while in your gear, but the pistol is easier to reach if you have to transition to it. The one I've used I picked up at a surplus store for about $30; it's not bad and it's adjustable for different pistols. Tactaylor and, I think, Blackhawk both also make holsters designed to go on your chest at a 45 degree angle. A lot of the guys like them because they don't have the issue of banging around if you have to run like a drop leg holster is prone to do. I don't know if you've already tried both of those types of holsters and didn't like them, but I didn't seen anyone else mention them yet as an alternative to having the pistol up under your right armpit so I thought I'd bring them up.
 
On the dropleg, it doesn't really suit my needs. The only reason I was trying a new holster location was because I liked the idea of having all my shooting gear on a single piece of LBE that was easy to take on/take off. The dropleg adds another piece of gear to take on/take off, is slower than my CCW holster on the times, changes muscle memory, etc. Since I am not wearing armor, the drop leg really doesn't offer me anything.

Chest holsters are out for the same reasons as cross draw - I can't draw without muzzle sweeping others on the line.

As far as the pistol location, I do actually get out and use my equipment (and with a timer even). The current location does work. It doesn't work as well as a traditional belt rig; but it is still quick to access. The only issue is it is a bit more awkward to access in some positions because you are picking the pistol up higher in the drawstroke compared to a traditional rig (which is the same thing that makes it so handy when seated in a vehicle).

Currently, I am just using my Milt Sparks and not using a separate pistol on the chest rig. That solution seems to work best for me and as a result, I am also considering moving more of the shooting gear to the belt and losing the chest rig entirely. The downside is I would lose a lot of the economy of motion and capacity of the chest rig; but I would have a lower profile that makes movement and positional shooting a little easier. Since I can keep up with most training with just 2-3 mags on body and a bunch of preloaded mags on the range table, capacity isn't as much of an issue.

Just curious about day 1, did some of the guys not have their rifles zereoed before the class?

All of the rifle classes I have taken at Tac-Pro start with confirming the zero first - and not without reason apparently since so far there has been an issue with rifles having wandering optics, non-working optics or not properly zeroed in every class I've taken (both there and elsewhere).
 
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