Internal Locking System

[GunLvrNLearner]

My Bersa has it, I guess all Bersas and Taurus have this, who else?

Also hear some who bash it,WHY?

I like it,you can use it to make it have added safety if a child got it by accident and if no children ever around you do not have to use it

Why would this feature EVER be a negative?

 

[actionflies]

It don't bother me when they hide the lock behind the grip like the new Ruger blackhawk. I don't like how S&W revolvers have that ugly keyhole. ILS are useless to me because all my guns are kept in the safe and I take extra effort to keep it in the safe from the kids.

 

[GunLvrNLearner]

Mine are in a safe too and the gun is not in lock mode but i do like the feature

 

[M1911]

Also hear some who bash it,WHY?

I like it,you can use it to make it have added safety if a child got it by accident and if no children ever around you do not have to use it

Why would this feature EVER be a negative?

If you read the Smith & Wesson forum, you'll see that some owners of the new S&W revolvers have had the internal locks fail while firing, causing the gun to become disabled. That's a huge problem to me for a defensive firearm. It is completely unacceptable.

I keep my guns in a safe and we don't have children. So it doesn't give me any additional safety. In fact, with its added failure modes, it removes safety IMHO.

 

[Black Majik]

I normally don't mind the ones that are hidden. It's the exposed ILS that bugs me i.e. Springfield's 1911s, S&W revolvers. HK's ILS safety don't bug me since it's in the magazine well, vs. say Springfield's 1911s which has a hole in the MSH.

 

[psyopspec]

If you read the Smith & Wesson forum, you'll see that some owners of the new S&W revolvers have had the internal locks fail while firing, causing the gun to become disabled. That's a huge problem to me for a defensive firearm. It is completely unacceptable.

M1911 nailed it. Fortunately, Smith has started making the ILS optional on newer models. I see at is one more part that can fail.

I like it,you can use it to make it have added safety if a child got it by accident...

IANAP (I Am Not A Parent), but if I was I'd be relying on a whole lot more that an internal lock that could fail to keep my kids safe from firearms accidents.

 

[M1911]

Fortunately, Smith has started making the ILS optional on newer models.

My understanding is a bit different. Apparently S&W found some old frames kicking around that did not have the provision for the lock. So they are finishing those frames and selling them.

So it is my understanding that this is a one-time thing. I hope that my understanding is incorrect.

 

[Prince Yamato]

I think it adds points when you import it as a "sporting pistol". The Bersas lose a lot of points because they're under 9mm in caliber, I think the ILS adds a decent amount of points back.

 

[psyopspec]

M1911, if I'm wrong it wouldn't be the first time. The products that they've taken it off of seem more prolific than a limited run though - some models of non ILS revolvers are now regular catalog items.

 

[M1911]

M1911, if I'm wrong it wouldn't be the first time.

You and me both.

I've sent e-mail to S&W asking them if it is a one-time run or on-going production, but haven't received a reply. Time will tell, I guess.

 

[psyopspec]

I've sent e-mail to S&W asking them if it is a one-time run or on-going production, but haven't received a reply. Time will tell, I guess.

I was thinking about doing the same. Please let us know if they get back to you.

 

[M1911]

It's been several days with no answer, so I would suggest that you e-mail them as well.

 

[psyopspec]

Done. Will post if I hear back.

 

[weisse52]

I did email them and was told that ILS was here to stay. (Not exact words, but sums up comment)
But, since that time I understand they have added non-ILS to catalog M36, 642 , 442. We will see what is true.

 

[mljdeckard]

My main problem with them? They are a concession to anti-gunners who think that it makes sense to legislate safety practices.

 

[HisSoldier]

They are like the idiotic safety warning stamped on Rugers and S&W 1911's, only they add even more cost. Now someone will say the cost is the same or less than other brands, but think, it has to cost to add worthless features! Whatever extra it cost has to be cheapened in some other area of manufacturing.

 

[gbelleh]

I just wish the locks were an option. I only have one gun with an ILS (HK USP). I'd own a lot more new guns if certain models came without the locks.

 

[kingpin008]

Why would this feature EVER be a negative?

The S&W thing has already been touched upon, so I'll just add my own reason: The more on relies on mechanical devices to assure that a firearm is safe, the less they rely on what really matters - their own intelligence and training.

 

[M1911]

They are like the idiotic safety warning stamped on Rugers and S&W 1911's, only they add even more cost.

The safety warnings don't bother me -- although they are ugly, I've never heard of them failing and rendering the firearm unable to fire. The S&W ILS on the other hand...

 

[BADUNAME4]

The incidents of poisoning went up after medication containers started coming with safety tops. We were all safer before government got into the business of protecting us from ourselves.
I was all set to buy an HK P2000 until the internal lock was pointed out.