Iran stocks up on rugged Russki gear...

[lysander]

I pulled this from Forbes. It would very unfortunate if US troops were still in the region if anything comes to head. (Unless the "coming to a head" is part of the plan ) Maybe this explains the price hike on Wolf...

Regardless, weapons pouring into Iran from Russia don't do a whole lot to stabilize the region. I realize a billion $$ worth is a drop in the bucket...but it still nothing to sneeze at.

Associated Press
Russia: Weapons to Iran for Defense Only
12.03.2005, 08:17 PM

Russia's weapons sales to Iran are purely for defensive purposes, a government spokesman said Saturday, in response to reports that Russia was selling $1 billion worth of weapons to Iran.

The news reports said Russian was selling Iran advanced missiles and other systems, but the Foreign Ministry spokesman, Mikhail Kamynin, did not comment on specifics, saying in a statement only that they were "exclusively defensive weapons."

Kamynin said the sales fully complied with nonproliferation commitments and Russian law.

The statement appeared timed to head off the heated reaction expected from the United States after Russian media reported Friday that officials had signed contracts in November that would send up to 30 Tor-M1 missile systems to Iran over the next two years.

The Interfax news agency said the Tor-M1 system could identify up to 48 targets and fire at two targets simultaneously at a height of up to 20,000 feet.

A high-ranking Iranian official downplayed the deal, telling the official Islamic Republic News Agency on Saturday that Iran buys arms from many countries and would not stop.

"Iran's and Russia's military cooperation is not a complicated issue," said Ali Larijani, secretary of Iran's Supreme National Security Council. "It existed before, and there was no ban on it."

On Friday, Israel carried out a successful test of its Arrow missile defense system, intercepting and destroying a missile similar to Iran's long-range Shahab-3.

Israel considers Iran its biggest threat, and does not believe the Muslim theocracy's claims that its nuclear program is peaceful. Israeli concerns were heightened recently after Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad urged that Israel be "wiped off the map."

 

[jsalcedo]

Russia's weapons sales to Iran are purely for defensive purposes

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad urged that Israel be "wiped off the map

Iran should be nuked off the map. I'll agree with Bush, it is part of the Axis of evil

 

[beerslurpy]

Every time someone says something about land wars in asia, I feel a draft in here.

 

[ka50]

Hmmmm

http://www.defense-update.com/products/t/tor.htm

The system is capable of operating in an intensive aerial jamming environment. The system's high lethality (aircraft kill probability of 0.92-0.95) is maintained at altitude of 10 – 6,000 m'.

Rugged

 

[Art Eatman]

This isn't Art. Byron Quick posting from Art's computer. Site won't let me log in.


Has Russia developed and deployed any new weapon systems since the fall of the Soviet Union? I think they may have a new nuclear capable missile. I doubt they've sold that one.

So, the weapon systems the Russians have for sale are the same ones the USSR had. The ones that shot all the USAF planes out of the sky in Iraq in 1991. In 1991, Iraq had about the best that could be bought from the Soviets. How'd it work? Not too good. We're about two generations ahead of the Russians in military hardware.

 

[Joejojoba111]

...Except that that is the 'portrayed state of affairs', when the reality is that it is F-teens trucking bombs day in and out.

There is no magic invincibility cloak for aircraft, missiles can hurt them. The F117 was shot down because 2 tiny cracks in the gigantic long chain that is 'stealth'. #1, some people were not careful with radio traffic. #2, it had to be designed as a compromise, so it chose to defeat short-length waves better than long ones. This meant that the tracking radars could see it better than a weapon's seeking radar. What the Serbs did was shoot a super-modern stealth aircraft down with, by all standards, a thoroughly antiquated missile.

Another theory is that 'stealth' was never designed to be hit by millions of little cell-phones at once, and the background emmissions of everything was put to use, to locate the aircraft.


By the way, guess what opened up Iraq's air defence system? Helicopters. Their defences WERE solid. The only way to crack the egg was to send in some for of special forces to take out an important radar site, and then stealth could use it's stand-off advantages to take out the rest.

 

[denfoote]

Another invasion!!!

The statement appeared timed to head off the heated reaction expected from the United States after Russian media reported Friday that officials had signed contracts in November that would send up to 30 Tor-M1 missile systems to Iran over the next two years.

The worst kept military secret today is that we are gunna invade either Iran or Syria!!! All you have to do is pay attention to the rhetoric comming from the White House!! :banghead:

Now, whether you agree with it or not, one or the other is gunna happen!!

From an Iranian/Syrian point of view, it makes sense to get as ready as possible!!!

This one ain't gunna be the walk in the park that Iraq was!!

 

[stevelyn]

Jerome Corsi author of "Atomic Iran", "Black Gold Stranglehold: The Myth of Scarcity and The Politics of Oil", and co-author of "Unfit for Command" was interviewed lastnight by George Noory on "Coast to Coast AM".

A scenario he talked about was that the Israelis have established a date of March 2006 for dealing with Iran. Where either Israel strikes Iran's nuclear facilities by themselves or with our help. One possibility is that since we already have troops in the middle east, we would invade into Syria securing Israel's backdoor while they go and give the Iranians a tune up.
He also stated that Iran has a missile easily capable of hitting Israel and it could be topped with a crude gun type nuke. All you have to do it get it in the general vicinity.

 

[Manedwolf]

The worst kept military secret today is that we are gunna invade either Iran or Syria!!! All you have to do is pay attention to the rhetoric comming from the White House!! :banghead:

Invade with what? Coast Guard? Boy scouts?

Myself, I keep wishing states would disband their National Guards and declare State Militias instead, to disallow their troops from being sent away. NH national guard should be defending Manchester and Nashua and such in the even of a disaster or attack, NOT entirely gone and wandering around Fallujah in a quaqmire getting blown up by IEDs for...um...what goal again?

 

[Manedwolf]

Iran should be nuked off the map. I'll agree with Bush, it is part of the Axis of evil

Does "fallout plume" mean anything to you, genius? :banghead:

You like breathing strontium and such when it blows across the globe? I woudn't!

 

[jsalcedo]

Does "fallout plume" mean anything to you, genius?

You like breathing strontium and such when it blows across the globe? I woudn't!

Hey I lived through Chernobyl... how bad could it be?

 

[Oleg Volk]

Iran should be nuked off the map. I'll agree with Bush, it is part of the Axis of evil

One problem with that approach: two of my American friends are going to Iran shortly. Your idea would kill them. Could I hold you responsible, or should I start with those who actually implement your idea?

 

[jsalcedo]

One problem with that approach: two of my American friends are going to Iran shortly. Your idea would kill them. Could I hold you responsible, or should I start with those who actually implement your idea?

It will probabaly be Israel if anyone has intentions of using nukes.

Now that Iran is close to having nuclear weapons, mideast arms proliferation and possible nuclear war by rogue terrorist nations might not be too far fetched.

Can't a guy let off some cold war bumper sticker steam without raising the ire
of the literalists out there?

 

[Hutch]

Wolfie, not to try to poo-poo the effects of a good nuking, but you ought to read stuff by some author other than the Union of Concerned Scientists. Try "The Effects of Nuclear Weapons" by Samuel Glasstone, or maybe something by Bruce Clayton or Cresson Kearny. Muuuuuuch more useful information, unless you just LIKE being misled.

 

[dasmi]

Remember, Russia is our ally, just like Saudi Arabi, and Mexico. Allies I tell you!

 

[idakfan]

I'd rather see Israel nuked off the map.

It would be a good start. And American soldiers wouldn't be killed fighting another war for Israel.

Support American troops, Nuke Israel.

 

[Glock Glockler]

One problem with that approach: two of my American friends are going to Iran shortly. Your idea would kill them. Could I hold you responsible, or should I start with those who actually implement your idea?

Oleg,

When you talk as much smack Iran does while doing everything possible to get nukes you are going to attract unwanted attention, perhaps your friends shouldn't go to a country that behaves like Iran, but then again they are making that choice, right?

War is very nasty business, innocent blood will always be shed, but that's unfortunately part of the game

Idakfan, what has Irsael done to us that we should nuke them? I don't think we should do their ditry work for them nor support them to the extent we do but why go out of our way to start a war with them?

 

[confed sailor]

no offense idakfan, but lets look at the scoreboard.

so far the Jews have taken the worst that the world can shell out, and have thrived.

im not too religious, but god said they were chosen people, and after whats gone down for the past couple thousand years. im sorta inclined to agree.

christian: how odd of god
to choose the jews

Jew: not odd of god
goyim annoy 'im

 

[KriegHund]

30 units isnt that many....

Plus, these things have got to be at least a decade old. Not that they arent dangorous....

Ahhhm what interesting times we live in....

 

[denfoote]

Invade with what? Coast Guard? Boy scouts?

Myself, I keep wishing states would disband their National Guards and declare State Militias instead, to disallow their troops from being sent away. NH national guard should be defending Manchester and Nashua and such in the even of a disaster or attack, NOT entirely gone and wandering around Fallujah in a quaqmire getting blown up by IEDs for...um...what goal again?

Can you say D-R-A-F-T???

I'm sure you can!!

Say it with me.

Let's use it in a sentence.

In order to invade Iran, there is going to have to be a draft.

It's been proposed several times, from BOTH sides of the isle.

So far, I say, SO FAR, it's been rejected. However, if the need arises, the mechanisms are already in place to get it going real quick!! Actually, we are only two votes away from it!!! You know if it passes both houses, Bush will sign it!!

 

[Standing Wolf]

Remember, Russia is our ally, just like Saudi Arabi, and Mexico. Allies I tell you!

Oh, yeah. How could I have forgotten?