Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards marching with G3s... and crooked barrels!

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Yeah, we could NOT take Iran. No no no we could not. We could bomb a few key installations but we could not win a ground war there, we could not do a regime change, and we can't even occupy Iraq successfully and Iran would be a much harder place. Their government has true popular support, which Hussein never had.

I think we should find out where their key nuclear facilities are and bomb them from a safe distance and that's it.
 
Iran wants nukes so bad, it will take them forever to get enough centrifuges to make their own, if those scary U.N. Security Council resolutions don't stop them, that is. So in the meantime, let's just send them some of ours. Nose first. :neener:
 
i can't tell if you guys are being sarcastic or if you seriously think iran's military is a challenge.

let me be clear. i'm not saying we can fight the people of iran. if there are several hundred million people in that country that hate our guts, then no, we're not going to see any success occupying the country.

but that's the people.

Their military is an entirely different issue. just like iraq, any organized resistance, armor, airforce, etc will lay down inside a month. the outcome would never be in question.



"Fist in the air in the Land of Hypocracy"
 
a) the troop fairies
b) millions of them cross the southern border every year practically begging for jobs
c) next door in Iraq
d) isreal




"i think i heard a shot"
 
Folks, in case you haven't been watching the news for the last three years, we DID win the war in Iraq. Our current efforts have nothing to do with winning any sort of war, they are aimed entirely at exporting a form of government (democracy) for which the Iraqi people are wholly unsuited. For some reason I can't fathom, we feel some sort of obligation to carry their burdens.

If Iraq was only about winning the war, we would have been out of there one month after hostilities started.
 
Folks, in case you haven't been watching the news for the last three years, we DID win the war in Iraq.

If this is what you call winning, I'd hate to see what you call losing. What, exactly, did we "win"? We won the initial battles, such as they were, but that was mostly because the Iraqi military bailed, shucked their uniforms, and disappeared into the civilian population with their weapons to begin fighting the real war. If you are using some classic definition of war, you are using a definition of war that is as outdated in the 21st century as lines of riflemen squaring off against each other across a field. In other words, you are using a useless definition, one that won't get you very far in Iran.

This doesn't necessarily mean I think you are wrong. I just think that the world has changed in ways that make classic definitions of the word "war" less than useless. I do agree with you that our current objectives are unrealistic.
 
*snork*

One fully-equipped and fully-supported US armored division could start in Libya and roll all the way across the middle east into downtown Afghanistan, and there's not a force on earth right now (except Israel) that could stop it.

Make all the noise you want about Iran's military. Those are the same noises people made about Iraq's military in 1990. "This is the fourth largest standing army in the world! They won't be a pushover!"

Yeah, whatever.

Do we want to invade Iran? No. Could we hold Iran? Maybe, but maybe not. Could we roll into that armpit like hell with attitude? Oh, absolutely.
 
I agree, Biker - but I wasn't talking about winning a war. I was responding to the people who were saying Iran's military wouldn't be a pushover for us.
 
I think that if we attack Iran the last 4yrs in Iraq will suddenly look like a picnic. Iraq will turn in to a meat-grinder for US troops and don't count out Iran's response. When I was in the Persian gulf for a WestPac Iran was running their Navy in guerrilla fashion and the officers were not exactly laughing. To underestimate any foe is to show you are an idiot. I don't care if it's Bin Laden or a crack-head coming at me with a pipe while I have a gun. I'm not going to say "oh he's just crazy." You never know if there is a crack-head behind you in addition to the one in front of you. :D
 
Cool camo pattern on the uniforms.......kinda mimics the Predator pattern...I wonder what they'd charge for a set in X-Large?:D

An armed confrontation with Iran is going to be long and painful. They've been quietly preparing for many years. They've also been watching what has been going on across their borders.
Unlike us they learn and apply their history lessons.

Besides the threats they've made is actually against Israel. Pi$$ on them let Israel fight they're own battles for once. The threats made against the US are made under contigincy of a US invasion.
 
Those are boomarang barrels. If the bullet doesn't hit the target it comes back to be used again..

Keep in mind this is the same army that was unable to defeat saddam. Yes they have a large group of foot soldiers but once they experience our Navy guns and Airforce bombs they will cut and run just like the Iraq army..

Take the handcuffs off Israel and let them start earning the aid we give them. The US cannot afford another military action at this time.

C
 
OK
It’s a bout time to strike Iran. No need to wait. They said it loud and clear that they will do every thing they can to have the bomb. and there desire to destroy our friends in Israel.

If we will not do it, the Israelis will, as they did it back in 1981 with the Iraqis nuclear facilities.

And if the Israelis will, it will be big time as every thing else they does…. And we don’t want to be there…. Or maybe we want them to do the dirty job again… Fast and Smart
 
Thought: The barrel isn't bent. The one that's closer is out of focus and right along side a barrel that is in focus. The fuzzy barrel is at a slightly different angle than the in-focus one and, combined with the fact that the guns sort of seem to "merge" as the barrels get closer to the front-sight area makes it appear as though the "fuzzy" barrel is bent.

Wee!

~GnSx
 
I'm another guy against a war with Iran

Iranian women are incredibly beautiful.

Not that I have a snowballs chance

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Attck Iran ASAP, our freinds are in great risk

I’m absolutely 100% encourage the administration to attack Iran ASAP.
The Iranian regime is the modern Nazis. We better eliminate them before they strike first.
It’s not about democracy, freedom or world peace and oil prices, It’s the security and the future of our best friends in Israel.
The Israelis can do it alone, they are strong enough. But this is not only the Israel’s problem,
Iran it’s global problem, and the US as the sole superpower should help it’s friends! …
There is no one nation in the history of the USA that support us as Isarael supporting us. We MUST help them.
What’s a friend for?
 
I tend to agree that the Iranians would fight a lot harder during the ground war than the Iraqis did. A lot of them are fed up with the Mullahs, but they're still extremely nationalistic and unified in a way the colonial hodge-podge of Iraq has never been. They were occupied after WWII, but never really became a colony. Iraq, in contrast, only became an entity as a result of British colonial schemes. Before that it was just the location of a series of failed empires. The Persians have always considered themselves a cut above the Arabs, and I've never seen anything which would disprove that conclusion. The current situation calls more for back room tactics and clever wetwork--both of which require a whole lot more neurons than the current administration can rub together. It may be best for them to simply do nothing and let the next administration deal with it.

We had our chance to eliminate the Iranian revolutionaries in 1979. We had absolutely just cause for total war. You cannot take embassy staff hostage and kill guards. You can kick them out, but you are absolutely forbidden from attacking them in that fashion. To do so gives the aggrieved nation casus belli. But Carter dropped the ball and it's far too late to try to oust them now, especially with the completely FUBAR situation in Iraq.
 
Cosmoline,
It's not about winning the war, or hunting down the leaders. Only to destroy their Nuclear ability. Let them enjoy their own “human rights”. We cannot change their culture.
 
Originally Posted by Cuda:
Those are boomarang barrels. If the bullet doesn't hit the target it comes back to be used again..

Keep in mind this is the same army that was unable to defeat saddam. Yes they have a large group of foot soldiers but once they experience our Navy guns and Airforce bombs they will cut and run just like the Iraq army..

Take the handcuffs off Israel and let them start earning the aid we give them. The US cannot afford another military action at this time.

C

Actually I think the Israelis earned all of the aid we give them. Their intelligence assets and agents are a lot better than ours.


As for everyone else. I am inclined to agree with Biker.

The US military is stretched thin as it is and starting a war with a more fanatical enemy is a dumb idea at this particular point. It is easy to talk about nuking them from a distance but the repercussions will be drastic. We nuked the Japanese to show our strength and will to use such awesome power. Do you think that other countries would not do the same? Pakistan is a nuclear capable country. China and Korea as well. If the US keeps going on these Pre-Emptive strikes what will stop Korea and CHina from doing the same? If they feel that Japan or Hong Kong or South Korea is going to attack would it be wrong for them to pre-emptively strike? Afterall what is good for the goose is good for the gander. All it takes is one political slip up and they could justify it.

So the best idea is to fix Iraq ASAP. We screwed up their country and now we are paying for it. Lets leave. Same thing with Afghanistan. We screwed it up, so lets fix it and leave.

Sadly knowing Bush we will shortly be attacking Iran. I am sorry to say but if you all are so supportive of this I will be happy to look up a recruiter in your area.

Why does everyone say WE won the war and we sent the troops when it was the government. And when this same government screws up it will be THEM or THEY screwed up.
 
post 3001! it's all Jimmy Carters fault

like some one said earlier, Jimmy caved when he could have done something to stop the spread of Islamic Jihad, the Iranian Revolution had lots of cool students...
(well, when I was a teen in the 70's those Persian girl revolutionaries seemed mighty appealing)
the student revolutionaries were out foxed by the old men, the fundy nutter types:mad:

We should make a deal, we have Iranian women move here and we send liberal men over there:D
 
I'm a lot more afraid of $6-$10-per-gallon gasoline prices than I am about some blustery blather coming from the nutjob running Iran. You want to feel some real pain...
 
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