Is a Benelli M4 that much better than A Remington 1100

[ArmedBear]

WRT the 11000, IMO it's like this.

Say a company still produced a 1971 Dodge Dart, with the old brakes, poor handling, crude transmission, etc. and maybe even with somewhat poorer fit and finish, and called it the 2009 Dodge Dart.

If you saw it at the Dodge dealer, next to the BMW dealer, what would you think?

Say the 2009/1971 Dart is $2500 and a nice BMW starts at $35000. The Dart might look like a good deal.

But say the 2009/1971 Dart is $30000. You'd laugh and walk right on over to the BMW dealer (even though BMWs might be a bit overpriced). That $30000 Dart is the 1100.

Now, say Dodge put a fancy new paint job on the thing and called it the Dart G3...

At least until Dodge went into bankruptcy over the past few days, Remington and Dodge were the same company, BTW...

 

[hags]

While I think your analogy of model makes perfect sense, when it comes to make I disagree.

I don't think you can improve on the 870.

 

[ArmedBear]

Sure you can. The 870s balance is wonderful, but its ergonomics are mediocre.

The trigger reach is too long, the trigger itself is a sharp bit of metal.

Remington changed these things on the 887 (and the 105CTi before that). But why couldn't they just do it on the 870?

That said, I have an 870 that I bought new a few years back. I probably won't ever get rid of it. For what it is, it's great.

I'm just saying that even the damn-near-perfect 870 is an indication that Remington is not exactly a company committed to what is called "continual improvement" in every other industry. They just keep building the same thing, maybe with some cheapened parts.

 

[hags]

Well, I thought you were talking operational design with the 1100.

I have large(r) hands so the trigger reach is good for me. I like the narrow trigger too.

They could step up the finish though and dump the MIM parts. Design wise I think it's exceptional but it is after all a simple pump shotgun.

 

[ArmedBear]

I have large(r) hands so the trigger reach is good for me.

LOP not too short for you?

 

[hags]

Sure, but what isn't?
My 590A1 has a better LOP. I've learned to live with less than desirable LOPs on just about everything.
I understand not everyone would be served by a 14 3/4"-15" LOP.

 

[30mag]

WRT the 11000, IMO it's like this.

Say a company still produced a 1971 Dodge Dart, with the old brakes, poor handling, crude transmission, etc. and maybe even with somewhat poorer fit and finish, and called it the 2009 Dodge Dart.

If you saw it at the Dodge dealer, next to the BMW dealer, what would you think?

Say the 2009/1971 Dart is $2500 and a nice BMW starts at $35000. The Dart might look like a good deal.

But say the 2009/1971 Dart is $30000. You'd laugh and walk right on over to the BMW dealer (even though BMWs might be a bit overpriced). That $30000 Dart is the 1100.

Now, say Dodge put a fancy new paint job on the thing and called it the Dart G3...

At least until Dodge went into bankruptcy over the past few days, Remington and Dodge were the same company, BTW...

That's not quite the same.
There have been a LOT more advances in car technology (fuel injection, emission controls, airbags, computerized engines, direct fuel injection, coil springs, front wheel drive[has been popularized], unleaded gasoline) in the last forty years than there have been in guns.
A Dart and BMW are just too dissimilar.
That's like a Colt Navy revolver and a Glock.

It would be fairer to compare a 1998 Mustang (GT or LX 5.0) that Ford sold new for $25000 to a 2010 Porsche 911 that sells for $100000.
Sure, the Porsche is a nice car, and certainly better at what it is designed for, but it costs four times as much, and the Mustang still will get you to work and back.

But who can know?