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Is an ACOG worth it?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by zstephens13, Jan 11, 2012.

  1. benzy2

    benzy2 Well-Known Member

    An acog is far from an accuracy oriented scope. The benefit is mostly in mid distance combat style shooting where speed and accuracy are a mix, as well as being bomb proof. If you want to shoot itty bitty groups then you could spend money a different way and see better results. If you want a fast mid range combat/sport optic that will work in multiple light situations without need to adjust as well as an optic that will take any and all abuse you give it then it's a great buy.
  2. GBExpat

    GBExpat Well-Known Member

    I think that for the purposes for which most folks would use it, no.
  3. jmstevens2

    jmstevens2 Well-Known Member

    I'm not into itty bitty groups. I am into minute of deer. or something similar.
  4. Mitchell Gard

    Mitchell Gard Well-Known Member

    I've been using the ACOG on my M16a4 and my current M4 for about 3 years now and I would say I easily have at least a couple thousand hours of use out of them. When they sart getting a lot of use they no longer hold they're zero after a small amount of rough use. They're not meant to make firing adjustments so it's all based on Kentucky windage, which gets difficult at 500 meters. The BDC works well in theory but is actually a bit more complicated and not quite as accurate as advertised. As for ruggedness, I've been in the Marine Corps Infantry as a rifleman for 3 years and have only ever seen two break, although the sight adjustment screws are notorious for messing up. I'm sure if they're good enough for Afghanistan then it should be alright in Alaska, so long as its what your looking for. There are certainly other cheaper options that would probably work just about as well.
  5. Bartholomew Roberts

    Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus

    That certainly runs counter to my experience and my oldest ACOG is 9 years and 3 months old now. Are you seeing problems with the actual ACOG itself being unable to hold zero or is the mount coming loose? With the TA51 mount, it is a good practice to use blue loctite on the screws and make witness marks on the knobs. Or if it is your own gear, you can just buy Larue, mount it as instructed and forget about it.

    I've shot mine out to 600yds and haven't really noticed any problems with accuracy of the BDC, other than of course that it is modeled on a particular load and if you aren't using the same load, you won't match the BDC precisely; but generally it is good enough for making hits on e-silhouettes at that range.
  6. gun addict

    gun addict Well-Known Member

    agreed with michael Gards, from the experiences ive had with my M16a4 and issued RCO i think it is a terrific optic, with extrmely clear glasses but i have seen them break on the line. Hell my sight adjustment completely screwed up and would'nt hold a zero during prequal last year.

    Find yourself a used one either on here or AR15 forum, i've seen them go as low as $600
  7. henschman

    henschman Well-Known Member

    My TA55A with the .308 BDC worked great for M80 ball for hits on man-sized silhouettes out to 700 yards on my M1A. I also never had any issues with it losing its zero.

    However, they don't have a whole lot of adjustment range... I had to shim the base on mine to get it to zero, since apparently my rifle's scope mount isn't perfectly straight.

    Worth it? I would definitely say yes. Also, they have a really good resale market. I sold mine a year and a half after I bought it for just about a hundred less than what I paid originally.
  8. supercalvin56

    supercalvin56 Well-Known Member

    Nope, not worth it.
  9. cor_man257

    cor_man257 Well-Known Member

    I used one while I was deployed. I think it is an extremely rugged scope. I covered the fiberoptic/tritium with a small piece of tape, because in really bright environments the sight can be too bright in the daylight.

    Its tough. Really tough. I put this thing through hell. It was banged, bumped, and everything else against a metal turret. It always held its zero.

    Honestly, its a really good combat optic. But it doesnt have much purpose other than that. Its not for competiton accuracy, and I dont think I would use it to hunt... animals anyway. But hunting in a warzone it would be ideal.

    If your willing to drop the cash, its a great optic. Would I drop the cash having used one... No.
  10. Mitchell Gard

    Mitchell Gard Well-Known Member

    I've had a few issue with the optic itself coming loose but some loctite helped with that, mine site on a rail adapter, the base model was designed for a carry handle. Many people I know and myself have had issues holding and actual adjusted zero. I can hit the Echo targets at 500 no problem but it requires a little finesse and a bit of Kentucky windage. Once you adjust your point of aim it becomes fairly consistent but it's not very often you get your first shot exactly where you want it which, IMHO, disqualifys it for hunting anything but people. If engagements took place over 300 m away, which teu seldom do, in Afghanistan I'd be a little worried about it considering they shoot back. Like I said, its a fantastic optic, and it's second to none in ruggedness but if pinpoint accuracy is a must at any substantial range, it wouldn't be really high on my list. Take what I say for accuracy with a grain I salt though because, as I said, my experience has been with gov. Issued gear which tends to be a bit old and low end. The tape on the finer strip is a really common practice to cut the brightness down a bit but I've never had an issue with it do I don't do it.
  11. Mainsail

    Mainsail Well-Known Member

    I love mine.

    If you can shop AAFES, they sell the basic 4x model for $1149 no tax or shipping. There are often 15% and occasionally 20% off coupon codes which take it to $977 or $920 respectively.

    Last edited: Jan 14, 2012
  12. K&E Arms

    K&E Arms Member

    Rra says it shoots 1.5 moan, I shoot. .75 and I am not a great shooter

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  13. Mitchell Gard

    Mitchell Gard Well-Known Member

    Honestly, if you want some extremely accurate, durable, and low cost sights get some nice irons and learn how to use them well. If your eyes permit they're some of the best sights out there in my eyes
  14. Justin

    Justin Moderator Staff Member

    Knowing how to use iron sights is a great skill, and one that everyone should have, but all other things being equal, a scoped rifle will be faster and easier to hit targets with.
  15. Double Naught Spy

    Double Naught Spy Sus Venator

    I have to say that this opinion would really apply to a tremendous amount of the gun gear out there.

    With that said, few people complain that the quality is too good or that the scope is too tough. Nobody complains about a scope that keeps its zero after being dropped on it.

    I own two. One has been mounted on everything from a .22 to a .45-70, but mostly .223/5.56. I probably have somewhere near 15K rounds fired on guns where the scope was mounted. Never once has it lost zero and it has been zero'd numerous times when switched between platforms.

    My only complaint is that on both ACOGs, I never seem to have the exact ammo or shooting conditions for the drop reticles.
  16. BellyUpFish

    BellyUpFish Well-Known Member

    I have an RX30. While not an ACOG, it's awesome. I love it.
  17. Mitchell Gard

    Mitchell Gard Well-Known Member

    Double naught spy, I challenge you to carry out and start smacking it against trees and rocks, running/jumping, knocking against walls etc. and see how well it holds a bzo after a couple of weeks.
  18. zstephens13

    zstephens13 Well-Known Member

    It is much more accurate than you or I.
  19. Double Naught Spy

    Double Naught Spy Sus Venator

    Only a moron or somebody given a free piece of expensive equipment would intentionally do what you suggest. However, my 10 year old ACOG has had all that happen to it over the years.

    As noted previously, yours appears to be about the only dissenting opinion along those lines and we have several posters who have carried them in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Sorry, but your challenge rings hollow.
  20. C-grunt

    C-grunt Well-Known Member

    My ACOG that was on my DMR went through worse. I fell over a few walls and even had a river bank ledge give way causing me to roll down a 20 foot embankment into the Tigris. It sat in a Humvee turret, the back of a Bradley and went through 3 direct hit IEDs. Mine never lost its zero.

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