Is the Kel-Tek RFB Bullpup a reasonable survival rifle?

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No, it might break a part, and you will never be able to find one after SHTF.
I would reccomend an M1A, AR-15, or a Remington 700 in .308 or 30-06 with a good 1-4 scope that is accurate to 600 yards.
But get real. SHTF is mainly a fantasy that takes the fun out of buying guns.
 
...survive what? Russians? Zombies? Government death squads?
No offense to the OP, but why do people always assume that IF there was some sort of shtf situation, it would mean that you need to have a gun to survive because of some kind of governmental collapse/every man for himself scenario?
 
Take your pick. Maybe it's a truck gun and your in the outback and break down. The actual senerio isn't as important as whether or not this is a functional fire arm to either defend yourself with, or provide sustenance with. Maybe you know how to fight your zombies with a sharpened stick - great! ... but for the person that has a choice in firearms is who I'm directing the question/poll towards. If you don't like it then fill the poll out accordingly. Fair enough? No skin off my teeth either way.

Thanks! (No offence taken.)
 
THR is very anti SHTF discussion, if you want to talk about SHTF i would go over to AR15.com, thats what I do when im in the mood for some SHTF talk
 
The question was designed with the impetus of a survival situation - no where in the original post was SHTF mentioned - this is the assumption of subsequent posters. If this is an inappropriate post, then let's msg a moderator and have it deleted. OK-fine by me.

Observation - geesh, ask a SIMPLE question and have some tensions mount. Good thing it wasn't about politics, religion, or sex.
 
The Kel-Tec RFB has not been available long enough to accurately gauge it's long term durability. It's still in "beta test" mode.
In addition, it is not readily avilable due to Kel-Tec's slow production scehdule.

In 7.62x51mm/.308 semi-auto rifle, you would be far better off with a...
semi-auto M14 variant
semi-auto FAL variant
semi-auto G3 variant
semi-auto AK variant
semi-auto AR10 variant
FN SCAR-17S
 
I'm sure it's a fine battle rifle, but terrible as a survival rifle. The main problem is that it's not chambered in 22LR. Any reasonable survival rifle will be in 22LR, IMO, or it's really a SHTF discussion. That may be what the other posters were thinking, but I can't speak for them.

If I were ever in the situation to need a survival rifle, I'd probably grab my Remington Nylon 66. YMMV
RT
 
Interesting. You don't elaborate other than to imply a 22LR is superior ... so the discussions regarding the 44Mag, AR15/10, and Remington 700 are likewise not worthy of consideration?
 
I agree with Red Tornado,,, unless you run into an angry polar bear on the alaskan slope. I carry a sidearm and a .22 rifle, that covers me well. Actually, if I'm gonna be out in the woods outside of hunting season, I don't really need the 22 ;)
 
Survival implies feeding oneself. Anything over 22 is going to be too much for squirrels, rabbits, birds, snakes, rats(hey, it's survival) etc. One could make a good argument for a shotgun, but I'd still go 22LR for versatility as well as capacity of ammo that can be easily carried. YMMV

Hopefully it's all academic anyway. ;)
RT
 
I don't really care to have a survival rifle from a company that claims there barrels are only good for 6,000 rounds.

There are a lot better choices out there, but kel-tec does make some pretty neat stuff.
 
chemcat, whatever I have with me that day. In my case, in the woods, probably my XD 45, but I've inhearited a kel-tec P3AT that I can carry in my pocket so that one will probably be tagging along too. Not the best choice for a "survival" gun, I know, but I'm not out of cell phone coverage too often these days.
 
The inherent flaw with the RFB as a survival rifle is its forward-ejecting design. If a case splits and becomes lodged in the pipe, it can jam up the action, forcing you to disassemble the rifle and knock it out with a long rod which you may or may not have handy. Basically, spent cases inherently go places you cannot physically reach without tearing down the whole gun. The last thing I want to have to deal with in an emergency is a constipated rifle. :evil:
 
If you are talking about a case hanging up in the ejection chute then you are wrong about need any tools at all to clear it. the point of a bullet is enough to take down the rifle and the ejection chute is open then it is easily accesible to a finger to clear it.
A case seperation in any rifle barrel will be equally as bad in the field but that doesn't seem to be what you were talking about.
 
Survival: continuing to exist in a mobile and upright state during times when the individual is beyond the normally accepted reach of human infrastructure.

I.E., living out in the environment too far to reach civilization, whether by choice or circumstance. Nothing TEOTWAWKI at all, you break down crossing North Dakota in a blizzard, run off the road in the Ouachita Forest, or have your pack animals eaten by a herd of grizzlies who break your elk rifle.

All you have left is Rifle X and you have to keep living for a few weeks/months until the CAP/Sheriff/local drug growers stumble across your living carcass.

Big Hint: GI survival rifles for pilots were .410/22 over unders.

What you can shoot in abundance is small game - birds, rodents, squirrels, rabbits, woodchuck, duck, muskrat, etc. Much larger actually is a waste - it spoils faster than you can eat it, attracts aggressive predators, and can be difficult to process by hand.

A .22 gets the job done in a survival state, you can carry lots of ammo and it's not heavy. Single shots don't have cycling issues or jam, and conserve ammo. A small shotgun is equal, and for a nonproficient or injured shooter, a more sure shot.

A .308 bullpup battle rifle? Not. Consider the source, and then treat it appropriately. Again, what professionals have devised and preferred for decades longer has been a .22 or small gauge shotgun - and a 4" knife, an ax, and a container that can hold water. One serious consideration is that the individual may have a broken arm or leg - and shooting would be greatly impaired. A light .22 would be a far better choice than a 10 pound magazine fed bullpup. It's a one way range out there, the environment is the biggest enemy.
 
If we're getting away from SHTF and into basic living-off-the-land survival, here's my choice: Marlin Papoose

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Mine's the old blued model with the red case, but there's nothing wrong with the current stainless model. It's discreet and non-threatening but still effective. With hypervelocity loads it can do plenty of damage up close, but you can also hand-feed and cycle low-power load right down to CBs for quiet hunting.

It's also more than adequate against two-legged predators, though perhaps not against zombies. ;-)
 
Eh I think its a cool looking rifle but I wasn't much for it when I read a review that said depending on how it was oriented (ie up down etc) it may immedately kick the brass out of the tube or it may be 2-3 shots before any come out and them multiple pieces may come out at one time. Thats the kinda thing that would give me the uneasy feelings. That and the barrel supposedly only being good for 6000 rounds.

Nah I'd go with something else in .308 or .30-06 if I wanted a higher power level.
 
hmm in that article on charlie6 it says the Kel-Tec RFB might be available in other calibers... Anyone know anything more about that?
 
Some of these posts make me laugh. I especially like the ones from the experts that never seen or fired one, but they know the weak points of the RFB. You don't need to worry about the chute...it ejects the brass fine...the RFB is a reloaders dream. It does not ding up brass.

For the guy that says "oh you won't find one after SHTF" I take it you are one of those guys that must have X parts to rebuild "1 mililon" of your guns??? If you need to use your weapon and you run out of ammo/mags and you break your rifle...I'm sure you can find a replacement ;) if you are still around.

ETA: I actually own an RFB, not like most of the people that have replied in this thread. OP I went with the RFB over other platforms...I've owned them all...HK91 (real not some clone), FALs, AR15s, AK47s, M1A, DPMS ("AR10"), Cetme...while all of them function, I wanted something compact with more power than say .223...I don't have a ton of rounds down the barrel...right now I'm at 230rds, but once I have 500+ rounds through the RFB, I will be using it as my primary.

I understand why some posted that they would want a 22LR...which is great for food gathering...I think the OP was talking more about using the RFB as a defensive weapon. There is no argument that the 22LR will probably be the only caliber you "need", but I'd rather have more than one tool in my tool box if I needed it in an emergency.
 
I'd rather have an NEF handi-rifle in .22lr with a rugged 4x scope, a sling, and 500 rounds of ammo if we are talking about a real world survival rifle.
I don't see a military-style autoloader in .308 doing anything better in a realistic survival scenario. It and its ammo will be needlessly heavy. The round is overpowered and too destructive for the taking of small game which, as mentioned above, is your primary target. It has nothing to offer me, basically. I think I'd prefer the weight of the thing, its ammo, magazines, etc. in other equipment and no gun at all, if it really came down to it.
 
Nutnfancy has a couple of new vids with the RFB on YouTube. They're ok if you have a lot of time to watch guys BS for 10 minutes before shooting for 90 seconds.
 
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