Is There ANY Gun That Nobody has Anything Bad to Say About ?
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Dr.Mall Ninja
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i never heard anything bad about the m14
it was the rifle that America used to force to 7.62x51mm round on NATO after WW II which kept them from developing a true intermediate cartridge which NATO was demanding.
it has the shortest general issue life of any US military rifle and was quickly taken out of surface...well quick for the military...during the next conflict after it's introduction
Officers'Wife
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If God and John Browning together designed a weapon and Saint Micheal manufactured it there would still be someone, somewhere would have a problem with it.
Look at it this way, there is no such thing as a one size fits all. The plinker wanting to fire hundreds of rounds in an afternoon would hate the 30-06 for it's cost and recoil. The deer hunter would hate the .22 rimfire for it's lack of bullet weight. The 'wheel gun' lover has little use for the 1911 and the Browning disciple has use none for the Glock.
But you can pretty well bet the farm that if there were an intruder at 2 in the morning any objections would disappear for the weapon at hand.
Look at it this way, there is no such thing as a one size fits all. The plinker wanting to fire hundreds of rounds in an afternoon would hate the 30-06 for it's cost and recoil. The deer hunter would hate the .22 rimfire for it's lack of bullet weight. The 'wheel gun' lover has little use for the 1911 and the Browning disciple has use none for the Glock.
But you can pretty well bet the farm that if there were an intruder at 2 in the morning any objections would disappear for the weapon at hand.
FROGO207
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Yeah right 
you are asking an impossible question. When it comes to opinions everyone has a different one.
Should have asked what firearm you thought was best/most reliable. Might get some to agree on the same one more often.
you are asking an impossible question. When it comes to opinions everyone has a different one. Should have asked what firearm you thought was best/most reliable. Might get some to agree on the same one more often.atblis
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Swedish Mauser is the only one I can never recall anybody saying anything bad about.
RobMoore
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Of the M14
Its short service life is less of a remark about the gun, and more of a remark about our "military" leadership at the time.
Its short service life is less of a remark about the gun, and more of a remark about our "military" leadership at the time.
Officers'Wife
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I was under the impression the M14 lasted longer in general issue than the 30-40 Kreg. But I've been wrong before.
Jonah71
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My old single shot bolt action Stevens .22. If anything bad can be said about that little rifle, it would only be by someone who never fired one. Or did any hunting with it as a youngster.
Officers'Wife
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Out of respect for my Dad I have to quote Kipling here.
http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/the-young-british-soldier/
Take special note to the tenth stanza:
"When 'arf of your bullets fly wide in the ditch,
Don't call your Martini a cross-eyed old bitch;
She's human as you are -- you treat her as sich,
An' she'll fight for the young British soldier.
Fight, fight, fight for the soldier . . ."
http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/the-young-british-soldier/
Take special note to the tenth stanza:
"When 'arf of your bullets fly wide in the ditch,
Don't call your Martini a cross-eyed old bitch;
She's human as you are -- you treat her as sich,
An' she'll fight for the young British soldier.
Fight, fight, fight for the soldier . . ."
Ragnar Danneskjold
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I hate old guns/guns with wood furniture. Oh well.
that was rather my point...they picked the wrong rifle and cartridge, for the time, in the first place. the Russians got it right with a rifle used around the world even to this day...imagine if it had been made with quality engineering as was the Valmet, Galil or Sig 552
Officers' Wife -
Grew up on Kipling.......
The Complete Stalky & Co. was my
Operational manual as a youth.
Enjoy, if you haven't already:
http://www.stalky.com/index.html
isher
Grew up on Kipling.......
The Complete Stalky & Co. was my
Operational manual as a youth.
Enjoy, if you haven't already:
http://www.stalky.com/index.html
isher
otcconan
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This one is easy peasy.
Seriously. Has anyone ever said a bad thing about a Remington 870?
Also: Browning Hi Power.
Seriously. Has anyone ever said a bad thing about a Remington 870?
Also: Browning Hi Power.
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otcconan
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RobMoore
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Nothing I can think of that wouldn't apply to other tube-fed pump actions as well.
(edit, since someone mentioned the safety below....I didn't think of that. It does suck. Although much like the safety on my AK47, it never gets used).
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otcconan
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Well at least I feel better, thats a deep dark secret of mine, I don't shoot it because I fear I would never be able to get it back together again. (MK III 22/45)
+1 for the model 10, oh wait I was the one that said it to begin with...
They are a bitch to take apart, much less reassemble.
otcconan
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Too heavy and climbs all over the place on full-auto. Good battle rifle, but there are complaints. Most countries using it switched to the AUG as soon as it was available.
sure...the 870's safety is not as ergo friendly as the Mossberg 500/590 or even the FN SLP, it has kept pace with developments and has abducated that role to the aftermarket like Colt did with the 1911
the Hi-Power's slide it too light be heavy use, the thumb safety is too diminutive and the magazine safety make the trigger pull horrendous
chieftain
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It is the only shotgun I saw fail in combat. The 870 used to have a proclivity to double shuck shells.
They split the lifter at one time and sold it as a feature. “You can now get you knife blade in there to clear the double feed jam. In the New Remington 870.” Would not want to talk bad about that now would we?
Yup, great gun. In Vietnam it was one of the shotguns that were avoided by name and model. The earlier Remington’s were fine. The 870 Like the M16 got folks hurt and dead. Particularly because a shotgun in those days wasn‘t used for breaching. Normally, by the time you are using it, they are up close and personal. Usually you were in the act of being over run. Not a good time for your weapon to head south. It was a real bitch to clear too. (that’s why the split follower was sold as a feature)
I came to prefer the Ithica’s and the early model 12 Winchesters. Personally I never got in a fight while carrying one of the shotguns. I did not carry one very often. More than one Remington 870 got “disappeared”, in my two tours in WestPac.
So like that Black Plastic POS I don’t trust the 870 either. That is at a very basic primal level. And it is emotional. Once again, when the gun gets friends hurt and dead, it effects you. Particularly when those specific and very personal deaths were avoidable. My personal Mossy 590’s ain’t ever failed.
Most of the folks that didn’t like the Hipower were the 45acp only crowd, over the years.
AS the most deployed/used military sidearm in the world, for a very long time, the Hipower doesn’t have to prove it’s chops to anyone. There ain’t a damned thing wrong with it’s slide. It has been proven over and over and over again to be a reliable, accurate, effective military sidearm.
When I was attached to the 42 Commando, Royal Marines, in Malta almost 40 years ago, they were carrying the Hipower or P35 as they called it, and were very happy with it. I did talk with them about it, as I was carrying a 1911 of course. (Note: Both designed by St Browning and the more controversial Hipower the engineering and designing was finished up by the “other guy”.) I found none that would rather be carrying the 1911.
Most notably the British SAS in the last ten years gave up their Hipowers for the SIG 228. (funny the 228’s daddy is carried by the SEAL’s [226]who now carry a bunch of 228’s now too, since the SIG 228 entered the system as the M11)
Many folks who put that new fangled 40 S&W (for short & weak, I think) may have problems, but then so have many gun manufacturers who have tried to make a 9mm hand gun work in 40.
Look at the problems the Glock 23 and 22 are having. Many agencies are leaving Glock and finding S&W (S&W’s M&P may have been the first major production pistol DESIGNED from scratch to be a 40. In fact the only FTF type problems I am aware of were with the 9mm versions.) , SIG, HK, etc…
Rule three of selecting a fighting gun for yourself. Choose it in the caliber it was designed for. With very few exceptions that weapon will be intrinsically more reliable in that design specified caliber rather than any other.
That is not withstanding that the 9mm is the most reliable of the semi auto major fighting calibers. (with apologies to the 357SIG). It has something none of the others possess, a tapered case.
One of the reasons it is every ones submachine gun caliber. With just enough exceptions to prove the rule.
No there ain’t a damn thing wrong with the Hipower in 9mm. As St Browning & Co. designed it. If you think the 40 makes a difference, get a S&W M&P. (at least SIG reengineered all their guns to handle the 40.)
Go figure.
Fred
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Pre-safety Marlin 39a. Must be good, prices continue to soar.
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