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First let me say currently im a young buck, thats active duty military. Being in the service, I don't make a great deal a money...especially supporting and a wife and a wild one year old. I enjoy shooting. I wanna do more shooting, so I've been saving up for reloading equipment. I want to your guys/gals thoughts on my equipment choices. I don't wanna hear brand bashing, only constructive positive or negative experiences with the following equipment. Lee dies, perfect powder measure, lee trimmer machine, lee classic cast, lee classic turret, lee safety scale, and for cleaning im going to go with stainless media and rotary tumbler. I think these choices will give me great value getting started until I can get (better equipment?) or more nice to haves
 
I use lee dies for my low volume cartridges, for my .308 M1A i use anRCBS small base die. I like how the lock collar works on the RCBS when I size a few hundred cases at a time.


As far as the rest of your list I cannot comment, I have RCBS equipment..

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I have only used RCBS & Lee dies which I rather. I don't think I could like any beam scale.
 
I have a Lee beam scale and while it IS accurate it's also a real PIA to use properly. If you can afford it, spring for a better one.
 
I own 2 of the pieces you are asking about. The Classic turret press and the perfect powder measure.

The press: Good to go! inexpensive and does have some production capabilty thanks to the auto index feature.

The perfect powder measure: Inexpensive. Throws consistently with most powder. I really dont care for the mickey mouse micrometer setup and if I'm using WIN 296 it leaks out the side of the drum.
 
Lee is a very good economical way to get into reloading. The first thing I replaced was the scale and got a good balance beam scale. Lee's works but as stated before very hard to read. Go for it, you won't be sorry you did.
 
What are you going to shoot? How much and how often? What type of shooting will you be reloading for? How much time do you have to reload?

These questions are important. You really need to be alone when you load. No phone, no child, no interruptions. It is critical, especially when starting out, to load correctly.

What are you going to shoot? Pistols, Rifles, Shotguns?

Pistols: I would recommend the LEE anniversary kit with the addition of a tumbler (BERRY'S MFG), RCBS 505 scale, any load block will work (if you have access to a drill press and a block of wood, make your own), Hornady ONE SHOT case lube works well for a lot of cases.

Rifles: I would recommend the LEE anniversary kit with a BERRY'S tumbler ($50), RCBS 505 scale, LEE ZIP TRIM (FOR HIGH VOLUME ONLY) with universal CHUCK and ball handle upgraded cutter (FOR HIGH VOLUME ONLY).

Shotguns: Lee makes a great shotgun shell loader for $50 or so.

Everything in the LEE anniversary kit will work and get you loading. I used the press in the anniversary kit to load .300 win mag just fine. As far as reload manuals go, I would select one that matches your best local source of bullets available, ie. (Hornady, Sierra, Speer, Lyman, etc.) LEE's book has a lot of info and as a plus lists the case capacity in cc's and what each powder charge is in cc's. Very useful to find a powder listed that will fill the case the most for high power rifle stuff.

I'm sure I didn't list everything you need, but I can say I started with a LEE anniversary kit and am pleased with everything. I know the powder measure feels like a toy, but it really is a great tool. Mine leaks like a sieve with 296 but I can say it meters very, very well. The scale seems flimsy to me, but is quite accurate and will serve you well. I replaced my scale as soon as I found a RCBS 505 at a gun show for $35 in like new condition. Berry's tumbler is much better than many in the price range. The LEE zip trim works great for what you need. You can spin cases and trim to length with LEE case length trim tools and polish with steel wool and chamfer and debur with LEE's included tool. If you cannot afford the Zip Trim, and I highly recommend getting the universal 3-jaw chuck and ball handle cutter ($30 total), the included tool works fine for trimming by hand or chucking in a drill. Just don't forget to order the case length tools for each rifle caliber you load. Good luck
 
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I have used the warranty on Lee, RCBS and Dillon.

Lee; I broke one of there unbrakable univesal decaping dies. Snapped the pin right off. I called them and they said they would replace it this one time. If it broke again I would have to pay for the part. I still have it and still use it. I only ever bought one other peice of Lee reloading equipment. A set of 5.45x39 reloading dies. I would have bought RCBS but there was about a $70. differance so I thought I would give them a try.

RCBS; I found my 505 (I think thats the number) scale was showing some weird readings. I called RCBS and they said they would send me a prepaid shipping lable and take a look at it. I sent it in and three weeks later they sent it back fully rebuilt. No Charge. I have a powder droper that I will be calling about when I get back home in July to see if I can get them to put a new hopper on it.

Dillon; I have used them two or three times. I bought a used SDB press in 9mm. I sent it back to them to have it checked and rebuilt. I was invoiced $50. and got to pay shipping on it. This still burns my a$$ when I see guys getting it done for free. Years later I bought a used 55B and it was missing some parts. I called and got a drawing of all the parts. Figured out what I was missing and called them back. They sent me the parts for free. It was a couple of bushings, locking clips, primer feed rod and the pin that holds the tool head in. Happy with the way that one worked. They have also helped me when I called with some other issues during setup.

Now all that being said. I started out in the late 70s with an RCBS Rock Chucker starter kit. If I was standing at the counter today contomplating the same things? I would make the same selection. I still have and use the same press and dies I bought back then. I have reloaded thousands of rounds of 45acp, 9mm, 38spl, 357mag, 44mag, 223rem, 308win, 30-30win, 30-06 and a few others on that press. Now I will admit that there have been some changes on the press that I don't like. They have removed the slot for the primer feed system that use to be on it. I also don't like the look of the new primer catch system for the spent primers. It looks like it kicks the old one out on the back side of the ram and sends it down the little shoots to the catch bowl. The old one had a big cup that surounded the ram area. The new one may work better (I have not tried it) but I don't like the way it looks.

You only get to do it for the first time once. What ever you get you will use and most likly be happy with. Years from now you will then get to recomend it to a new guy. So check them all out and get what freels right to you. Red, Green or Blue.

But thats just me
WB
 
I started with mostly Lee equipment, but in the last 23+ years I've used just about every brand out there. Currently on my bench are presses by Lee, Lyman, RCBS and Hornady, as well as other pieces of equipment from these same manufacturers. The Lee equipment will get you started just fine, and you may never feel a need to wander to another manufaturer. The main reason I have a lot of the other brands is that I was able to get some good deals on used equipment, or I wanted a certain item made by that manufacturer.

Having said that, the only piece of Lee equipment I would personally steer you away from is the scale. While it may be accurate enough and perfectly safe, as stated in a response above, it is a PITA to use. Do yourself a favor and spring for an RCBS or Lyman scale, even a used one. They're available on eBay all the time for $30-40 +/- and are well worth it in the long run.

W101
 
There is nothing wrong with Lee equipment. Most of it is overbuilt to last for generations. Some of it is made well enough to do the job(Perfect powder measure) and will beat the performance of competitors that cost several times the price.

I have Lee stuff, and other brands. Whatever you like and works for you with minimal fuss

That scale, it looks and seems rinky-dink, but like the powder measure, it works and works well once one gets used to it.
A beam scale is inherently accurate, but usually slow to center. The Lee will match any other brand at any price for weighing powder. That being said some folks have trouble seeing and setting the tenths of grains vernier slider(One can pick up the beam and get a better look at it to do so, it never loses it's zero as long as the base is not moved).
Note, the tenth slider can slide to the right past the 0 line so that probably doesn't help some users.

It maxes at 110 grains, so bullet weighing is limited.
 
I am 100% satisfied with my Lee single stage and my Lee CLASSIC 4-hole turret. I use their Perfect and their Pro Auto-disk power measures and they are very consistent and reliable. I prime on the press with their Safety Prime system and it simply works.

The Lee scale is a bit finicky but accurate - I mostly use a $30 digital scale I picked up online. I use $10 Harbor Freight digital calipers and prefer the less fuss dry tumbling with a Lyman Turbo 1200.

ALL the brands out there make very good gear. Lee has been around since 1958 and they do NOT make 'junk'. They make very good, affordable and economical reloading gear made to a price point. It is IMHO made stronger than it needs to be and will give a lifetime of service making safe, reliable and accurate ammo.

That does NOT slam all the other makes that cost more and offer different features. Reloading is a pretty simple process and everything from the $30- Lee whack-a-mole Loader to the $30,000 Camdex center churn out ammo that looks and performs the same.
 
One thing I forgot to include in my earlier response was a recommendation of one Lee product.

The Lee Auto Prime is a very handy piece of equipment. I have used them for 20+ years and have never been anything but satisfied with them. I currently have 4, 2 set up for small primers and 2 for large. I really prefer them to seating primers on a press for 2 reasons. I feel like I have more control, and I can sit and prime cases while watching tv or talking to someone. Makes a tedious task go quicker.

I have used them so much, I hate to think of the number of rounds that I've primed with them. The only thing I've every broke is the thumb lever, which I have broke a few times as it seems to be of some sort of cheap cast metal, but I've always gotten 10,000+ cycles with each one before it broke. Now I just keep spares in stock, I ususally buy 1 whenever I order from Midway.

They do require their own, seperate shellholders, but it's a small investment and once you aquire the entire set, they last forever.

An excellent piece of equipment, an innovative design and a good price. A winner to me.

W101
 
From my experience,

Lee dies, I have only used Lee and Dillon dies. I like Lee dies better. I use them on my classic turret and Dillon 550 and they make great ammo.

perfect powder measure, It leaks a little but not too bad. I found it throws accurate and very consistant charges.

lee trimmer machine, I use the Lee trimmer for 223. I think it works very fast and easy. I use it in a battery drill.

lee classic cast, Have not used it.

lee classic turret, I love my classic turret press. I have been loading on mine for close to six years. I am loading around 175 to 200 rounds per hour.

lee safety scale, I found the Lee scale to be very accurate but not fun to use. I used it for a couple of weeks and then bought a better scale.
 
Most of my equipment is Hornady, but my dies are mostly a mix of Lee and RCBS. No problems with any of them. Let's see---my Lee die sets are .223 Remington, .44 Magnum, and .45ACP.

I too broke the pin on a Lee universal decapper, so I bought 3 replacements thinking it might happen again. It hasn't. Wouldn't have the first time if I'd been paying attention.
 
I am active duty as well, and I started with the lee single stage kit and have been using it for 3 years. The powder measure, scale and other pieces you can tell are a little cheap but they all work well, and are safe. I still use most of it. for around $200 you can get started. You will need the caliber specific case gauge for the trimmer. You will end up shooting more, and you will want to upgrade some stuff later. It is a hobby, and as with all hobbies you can always upgrade, and spend as much as you want.
 
I agree with Winchester101. You have put together a great list. It looks very similar to my list when I started two years ago. I bought the Lee Perfect Measure. It was the only thing I didn't like. I replaced it with a RCBS 505. Get a better scale and you'll be happier.
 
I have , and have used all of the items you've listed. The only piece I'm not happy with is the safety scale. While it is accureate, it's just too hard for me to use and read. I picked up a used Redding beam scale, and a cheap digital for quick weight checks. Make sure you have multiple load books and cross check your load info with powder, and bullet manufacturer. When in doubt, reduce and work your load up.

Be safe, and happy reloading.
 
The only thing I'd do different is steer away from the expensive rotary tumbler and stainless media. Contrary to popular belief, cases don't have to be brilliantly shiny. A vibrating case cleaner and corn cob media will do everything you need for less money and without the liquid mess. MidwayUSA has vibrating cleaners for a little over $50, MidSouth has them as low as $24. Shop around and find a used one for even less. I got mine from Midway 20+ years ago and it's never let me down. You can buy corn cob from them or any pet store. Midway sells 15 lb. bags of corn cob for $23 and I can tell you that 15 lbs. lasts a long time. MidSouth has 6 lbs. of media for a $4.23, 10 lbs. for $7.31.

I might also look for a better scale. RCBS/O'Haus make really good beam scales and since they're "old school" they can be had used very cheap.

35W
 
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First let me say currently im a young buck, thats active duty military. Being in the service, I don't make a great deal a money...especially supporting and a wife and a wild one year old. I enjoy shooting. I wanna do more shooting, so I've been saving up for reloading equipment. I want to your guys/gals thoughts on my equipment choices. I don't wanna hear brand bashing, only constructive positive or negative experiences with the following equipment. Lee dies, perfect powder measure, lee trimmer machine, lee classic cast, lee classic turret, lee safety scale, and for cleaning im going to go with stainless media and rotary tumbler. I think these choices will give me great value getting started until I can get (better equipment?) or more nice to haves
I would buy all the Lee equipment you listed and I did. The only tool I don't care for is the scale. It's not that is doesn't work because it's extremely accurate. The problem is it's a PIA to adjust so I bought a RCBS 5-0-5 to replace it...

Thank you for keeping all of us safe...
 
I use a Lee Ani kit right now, i HAD a full RCBs set up before i quite shooting after high school. Honestly i dont think any of the RCBs bits were much better then the Lee bits, except as noted the powder scale. I still use the Lee, as I cannot afford a good digital, but when I can I will also probably get a 505 as back up.
 
...Lee dies, perfect powder measure, lee trimmer machine, lee classic cast, lee classic turret, lee safety scale, and for cleaning im going to go with stainless media and rotary tumbler...

For what I have:

Lee dies - nothing wrong with them & buying sets that include the factory crimp die (if you want to crimp) still leave the Lee die sets costing equal or less than most (any?) others.

Don't have the perfect powder measure

Don't have the trimmer machine (assuming Zip trim) but do have the trimmer for .223, .45, & 9mm although I found out here after buying that there isn't a need to trim the pistol brass for general plinking rounds. I have the Lee power tool adapter that works with the Lee trimmers. IMO its better/cheaper than the zip trim assuming you already have a drill. You have to chuck each case into the collet either way, so why pull a string over & over when you can just run a drill?

I have both Lee Classic Cast Breechlock & Classic Turret. The turret is by far faster overall even w/o using the auto index. I only bought the Breechlock to use with the RCBS military crimp removal swaging die because the shell remover won't fit the ram of the turret press. While it technically worked, it was such a slow & PIA process I gave up on it. I would go with just the turret at first & then get the single stage if you feel you really need it later on for something. I'm still new, but haven't found a reason to keep mine yet. If you're doing multiple calibers, get a spare turret with each die set for an additional $8. Once your dies are set, keep them together & switch calibers in 10 sec.

Lee safety scale - absolute POS. Lee Aggravation Scale would be a more appropriate name. Don't spend extra for a kit because it includes that scale. While it does work, it is very hard to read at certain settings & you're not sure exactly which 10th you're set on at times. Slight bumps knock the zero off and it is slow to stabilize. Yeah it costs less than just about anything other than a HF ±.3 digital (that you don't want either). Other Lee stuff is inexpensive but this is cheap - there's a difference. I ended up finding a used Ohaus 505 on eBay for $30 - real close to the Lee scale price.

If saving $ upfront is a concern maybe stainless media & tumbler isn't the best but that's up to you. The HF ultrasonic does everything a stainless tumbler will and does it faster - with the exception of how shiny it will ultimately get the brass. there's only so much shine you can get from an US - esp on homemade solution, but it will give you reasonably shiny, clean inside & outside, & clean primer pockets. But for $~65 (with HF 20% coupon) and $5 of common household supplies you can have pretty good results. Another advantage of the US cleaner is you can clean stuff like watches & jewelry in it (not pearls or "soft" gemstones) so you get some additional use out of it. Again with a nearly free homemade solution you can get your wife's wedding ring as brilliant as the jeweler does when they clean it. The Frankford Arsenal tumbler with the HF fine walnut is also a very inexpensive alternative and will get the outsides really shiny & allow you to clean up old dingy loaded stuff. I use a combination of both and am really happy with the results even if they don't take the brass to the near perfection of SS.

The $10 with coupon HF digital caliper is really nice for the $ too. If you don't have a mic, pick one of those up too. Their $2 steel C clamps are nice also if you want to mount your press on a board & then just clamp it to your work table so you can remove it to use the table space for other stuff. I'm always taking mine off & putting it back on since my bench is really small. With 3 C-clamps I can't tell the press isn't directly bolted to the table.
 
I like the Lee products. Still use the Lee single stage press and dies. Like others have said the Lee scales are APITA but very accurate.

I have picked up a lot of very good used equipment at yard sales on base, so keep your eyes and ears open. Check the bulletin boards.
 
I have thought about taking the wife's sewing machine foot pedal and wiring it so it runs my electric drill that I would put in the vise on my reloading bench.
 
I'm also active duty Army. I started just over a year ago with a Lee anniversary kit and 9mm. Within a month I'd upgraded to the Lee turret and used that until last month when I bought a LNL. The LNL is my favorite, but the Lee presses are very good. If you only get one, get the turret. If you shoot any semi auto cartridges you should have a turret or progressive. The Lee Pro Auto Disk is almost a must have with the turret. Makes loading so much fast along with priming on the press. I like the Lee dies, but they're the only ones I've used.
 
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