Israel's new double barrel assault rifle

[Dr_2_B]

Very little information about this as yet, but I thought it'd be an interesting thread. Israeli company is putting finishing touches on a double barrel assault rifle.

 

[Tommygunn]

---------TWICE THE CLEANING!!

 

[Hacker15E]

I bet it's going to be the AR-15 version of this trainwreck:

 

[jason41987]

this has got to be the dumbest thing i have ever heard... are you lacking any and all faith in the 5.56 cartridge that youre putting so much emphasis into a double barrel rifle to shoot two rounds at once?... such as russias AN-94 which fires a second round before the first one even leaves the barrel?...

oh, but with 5.56 you can carry more ammo.... yeah, but apparently you need to fire twice as many... 30 shot magazine suddenly turns into 15 shots for the size and weight of 20 rounds of .308...

what a joke of a rifle... so much for the KISS rule of engineering eh?... their solution is to make some complicated double barrel rifle to double lethality, my solution is to get fire a bigger round

 

[TurtlePhish]

...does it come with red dot binoculars?

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

such as russias AN-94 which fires a second round before the first one even leaves the barrel?...

No it doesn't, it's doesn't have that high of a RoF. The intent of that feature of the AN-94 is to theoretically defeat body armor. Because of it's high RoF, it makes it easy to place two rounds into someone at distance. I would rather shoot an enemy twice then once. Also, judging by the BG tests, two rounds of 5.56 would do more damage then a single round of 7.62 NATO.

 

[jason41987]

youd rather hit someone twice than once?... so tell me, would you rather hit an opponent with two stones, or one boulder?

 

[Comedian]

youd rather hit someone twice than once?... so tell me, would you rather hit an opponent with two stones, or one slightly larger stone?

Fixed it for you.

On topic: I'm interested to see what it is, although I doubt it will have anything substantial to offer. Seems like it would add a whole lot of extra weight for something that probably isn't a whole lot more effective than a rifle with a high cyclic burst mode (such as the above mentioned AN-94).

 

[jason41987]

btw.. 1800RPM = 30 rounds per second, which means .03 nanoseconds from one round to the next...

bullet travels at 900,000mm a second, meaning the bullet travels 900mm every nano second... with a 405mm barrel it takes about .45 nano seconds for the bullet to leave the barrel...

my math could be off, but its fairly close

 

[jason41987]

i wouldnt say slightly larger stone, kinetic energy is nearly double that for a .308 than a .223, to hit someone with 2,800ft/lbs of total energy would take two shots with a 5.56, one with a .308... so you are getting two shots out of one with greater simplicity, greater range, and greater accuracy with a single .308 cartridge

 

[19-3Ben]

If there is one thing I know about Israelis and firearms, it's that they are VERY practical people and they take their guns very seriously. If they actually put this thing in production as anything more than a moneymaker to sell to the American market, you can bet it will be reliable and a good fighting gun. I've got a LOT of faith in them.

 

[Comedian]

i wouldnt say slightly larger stone, kinetic energy is nearly double that for a .308 than a .223, to hit someone with 2,800ft/lbs of total energy would take two shots with a 5.56, one with a .308... so you are getting two shots out of one with greater simplicity, greater range, and greater accuracy with a single .308 cartridge

You're making the assumption that kinetic energy is an accurate measure of wounding power. It isn't.

 

[conhntr]

I dont like the two muzzlebrakes spraying onto each other... Bore obstruction potentional.

 

[R.W.Dale]

The ever increasing need for more railed real estate necessitated the addition of another bbl and forend to hang things from

 

[4v50 Gary]

It will be a smashing success among the Tier 1 Tacticool Tribe who must have the latest and greatest new product whose greatest virtue is the princely price tag.

I will lag behind at my pedestrian pace.

 

[jason41987]

its funny to see how people will go through such hard work to make something so complicated just to increase stopping power in their rifle, instead of going with the KISS rule and just fire a bigger cartridge

 

[wally]

1800RPM = 30 rounds per second, which means .03 nanoseconds from one round to the next...

I believe you confused nano with milli, same as the Dems seem to with millions and trillions

 

[FNP45]

While it might not be the most practical is far as; weight, over complicated design and impractical, I think it's cool. I get a kick out of unique different firearms. Like the double 1911 pictured above, you say train wreck, I say cool as hell I'd shoot it and have fun then hang it up on the wall. The AN94, yeah that's different to and I like it as well, would love to have one. Now some things like the tactical lever rifle from mossberg or the over marketed zombie sh*t is a bit much. unique is interesting but not always practical.
I think my attraction to different firearms stems from a 4 barrel 357 mag that a buddy of mine's dad had when I was a kid. That ones on the list for sure.

 

[jason41987]

yeah.. it was milliseconds.. but the maths still there... i just wonder how much research and design the russians went through just to make something to basically fire two rounds at once... russians have always been well known for the simplest of solutions, youd think they would have just started using a bigger cartridge... its not like the AK platform isnt capable of something between that of their 7.62x39 and 7.62x54R cartridges...

same for israelis.. adding the extra weight, complication, size, and quite possibly double the likeliness of a failure to feed or failure to extract, their design is even worse than the russians...

as for mossbergs tacticool leveraction with the quad rail and M4 stock... im thankful my office chair has arms to it, otherwise i would have fallen out of it for laughing so hard

 

[Cosmoline]

SXS creates all kinds of complexities and on a mass-produced assault rifle would be all but impossible to resolve. How are they going to get the barrels regulated? Even if they could, how would this point of impact be changed? Even if they are just going to keep them running parallel, getting each barrel to shoot truly parallel to the other is as difficult as getting them to cross over at the same point. It will turn the weapon into a short range bullet sprayer at best, unless they've done something very clever to resolve this problem.

I bet it's going to be the AR-15 version of this trainwreck:

The 1911 DB, however silly, is at least somewhat practical for its intended short-range use. Once you move beyond 25 yards, barrels in SxS configuration get more and more difficult to deal with. On a 300 yard rifle like an AR, the problems become nearly insurmountable absent very precise fine-tuning on each firearm. Even if they've used some kind of screw system to permit easy regulation, the process of regulating takes lots of time and is ammo-sensitive.

 

[Sebastian the Ibis]

youd rather hit someone twice than once?... so tell me, would you rather hit an opponent with two stones, or one boulder?

No..

Would you rather poke one 7.62 mm hole through your enemy, or two 5.56 mm holes through your enemy?

Yes one 155 mm hole is preferable, but that is not a viable option.

 

[proven]

there are a lot of assumptions being made here, all from a single pic.

 

[Justin]

Sorry, but The Truth About Guns is one of the worst places you could possibly use as a reference for updates in the world of firearms.

Call me when The Firearm Blog or Caleb Giddings get ahold of one of these things for testing.

 

[bluethunder1962]

Man they have all the cool stuff.

 

[PoserHoser]

Would you rather poke one 7.62 mm hole through your enemy, or two 5.56 mm holes through your enemy?

I heard it was a 6.8 mm spc