Judge Denies NRA Motion to Consolidate Pro-Gun Lawsuits

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Judge Denies NRA Motion to Consolidate Pro-Gun Lawsuits

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Capitol Hill (CNSNews.com)- A federal judge in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia has denied a motion by the National Rifle Association (NRA) to consolidate two lawsuits against D.C.'s virtual ban on civilian ownership and possession of firearms.

As CNSNews.com previously reported, the NRA's lawsuit - brought on behalf of Sandra Seegars, Gardine Hailes, Absalom Jordan, Jr., Carmela Brown and Robert Hemphill - claims that the D.C. gun ban violates the Second Amendment. But the Seegars suit also names four additional "causes of action" for the court to consider.

The NRA claims in the suit that the D.C. gun ban violates the Fifth Amendment protection against being deprived of property without due process, as well as the provision dealing with "equal protection" under the law. The group also argues that the D.C. measure violates the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and imposes regulations that are not "usual and reasonable" as required elsewhere in D.C. law.


D.C. residents Shelly Parker, Dick Anthony Heller, Tom Palmer, Gillian St. Lawrence, Tracey Ambeau and George Lyon had filed a separate lawsuit on Feb. 10, claiming only that the District of Columbia and D.C. Mayor Anthony Williams violated their constitutional right to own and possess firearms under the Second Amendment by maintaining and enforcing a de facto ban on private ownership of guns.

Robert Levy, a Georgetown University law professor and constitutional scholar at the Cato Institute, told CNSNews.com it is important that the D.C. District Court hear a "pure" Second Amendment case.

"After all, the whole purpose here is to establish not only the right of these plaintiffs in this case to be able to carry guns in Washington, D.C.," Levy said, "but also that there is, indeed, an individual right to keep and bear arms that's secured by the Second Amendment."

Opponents of private gun ownership argue that the Second Amendment protects only the right of the states to "collectively" organize and arm a militia. Supporters of private firearms ownership counter that, like all of the other amendments in the Bill of Rights, the Second Amendment guarantees the specific right to own and carry firearms to individual citizens, as Levy mentioned.

NRA attorneys wanted to combine the Seegars suit with the Parker action. The Parker plaintiffs filed a motion on May 1 to block the proposed consolidation.

On Tuesday, Judge Emmet G. Sullivan ruled against the NRA.

"Consolidation of the two cases would require resolution of complex attorney-client ethical and professional responsibility issues prior to any attempt to resolve the underlying substantive issues," Sullivan wrote. "Accordingly, in an effort to avoid any protracted delay in the resolution of the merits in either case, the Court will not consolidate the two cases."

NRA spokesman Ted Novin remained positive about the group's underlying suit.

"This ruling does not affect our case and ability to represent law-abiding gun owners," he said.

Gene Healy, a Cato Institute senior editor actively involved in the Parker case, was more excited.

"It means that...our lawsuit, which is a straight-up Second Amendment challenge to the District of Columbia's gun ban, can go forward," he explained, "and can be decided on the simple, straight-forward and pressing issue of whether the Second Amendment protects a 'collective right' or an individual right."

Levy is uncertain about the potential outcome at the district court level but feels his client's chances are good to defeat the D.C. gun ban at the Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia. If that happens, that decision would be at odds with at least one other circuit that has ruled in favor of the "collective rights" theory.

Such a conflict would help the chances of the Parker case being heard by the U.S. Supreme Court. Levy believes the Parker case has "much better facts" for a Supreme Court hearing than any other in recent history.

"We're not talking in our case about [something like] an 'assault weapons' ban," he said. "We're talking about carrying a pistol within your own home to be able to defend yourself if somebody breaks in and wants to harm you or your family or your property."

All of the necessary documents have been filed for the D.C. District Court to make an initial decision on the Parker case. Levy said a decision could come at any time. He does not expect a lengthy trial because the case concerns only "matters of law" rather than "questions of fact."
 
They should have consolidated the cases. Now, two losses will be added to the case history against the right to carry firearms for personal protection, instead of one. :(
 
You couldn't POSSIBLY be more wrong, Graystar!

Fact: the Levy team drew a fairly good trial judge for their (relatively simple) case. The NRA team drew an absolute worst-case totalitarian FREAK of a judge for their complex mess of a case (which among other problems, names Ashcroft as a defendant and will therefore face "Godzilla" in terms of opposition).

IF the NRA consolidation motion had succeeded, it would have been the NRA's poopoohead of a judge who would have heard the combined case!

Levy and company saw the consolidation motion as outright sabotage of their case.

This is a HUGE win. What happens now is, the trial judge in the Levy case will be able to make a quick decision on the simple "pure RKBA" issues raised. He might even go their way, or not, but in either case he's not the sort to stall for ideological reasons. That means a quick progression to the DC appellate level, which is actually a pretty good bunch. They'll get there before the NRA case, and it's barely possible they'll blow through DC appeals so fast the USSC will be able to hear it before Silveira. That's a stretch, but it's possible.

This is a win. A *big* one.
 
Levy and company saw the consolidation motion as outright sabotage of their case.

Then what, pray tell, was NRA's reasoning here? I'd like to know- I just got my NRA Membership renewal request in the mail.:uhoh:
 
Fact: the Levy team drew a fairly good trial judge for their (relatively simple) case.
Who cares about the trial judge? This case will certainly appealed by the losing side. It's the appellate court that matters.

And that's on top of my personal belief that any action for a right to possess firearm for personal defense that is based on the 2nd Amendment is destined to fail.
 
2Dogs: I have no idea what the heck was going on here, from NRA's point of view. Levy's opinion has been relayed through sources I trust rather explicitly. One guess: they didn't like how the current USSC might vote, and acted to stall this thing for a year or more (which is what the consolidation motion would have accomplished).

Graystar: we're going to have to confront the subject eventually.

:scrutiny:

Look 'all, there's something else at issue: one big question is, what will be the nature of the first big USSC review of the RKBA? If Gary Gorski has his way, it'll be a review of a state AW law...the most "frightening" type of gun to the gun-ignorant (people like Ginsburg or O'Conner).

Levy and company would rather that challenge be about "basic home defense", which is less radical.

Most commentators think we'll get SOME sort of "individual right" ruling out of the USSC. The question is, how STRONG a right? Will it be a weak little thing that can be tossed aside whenever the state can make a guesstimate link between gun-grabbing and "societal needs", or will it have some balls behind it?

Levy's plan has merit.
 
You couldn't POSSIBLY be more wrong, Graystar!

Fact: the Levy team drew a fairly good trial judge for their (relatively simple) case. The NRA team drew an absolute worst-case totalitarian FREAK of a judge for their complex mess of a case (which among other problems, names Ashcroft as a defendant and will therefore face "Godzilla" in terms of opposition).

IF the NRA consolidation motion had succeeded, it would have been the NRA's poopoohead of a judge who would have heard the combined case!

Levy and company saw the consolidation motion as outright sabotage of their case.

This is a HUGE win. What happens now is, the trial judge in the Levy case will be able to make a quick decision on the simple "pure RKBA" issues raised. He might even go their way, or not, but in either case he's not the sort to stall for ideological reasons. That means a quick progression to the DC appellate level, which is actually a pretty good bunch. They'll get there before the NRA case, and it's barely possible they'll blow through DC appeals so fast the USSC will be able to hear it before Silveira. That's a stretch, but it's possible.

This is a win. A *big* one.

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What Jim said.
 
I would still feel better if we had new judges on the USSC before it reached there, as so many of them are so liberal. They scare me. Give us at least 2 more conservative judges before it hits the USSC.
 
2Dogs: I have no idea what the heck was going on here, from NRA's point of view. Levy's opinion has been relayed through sources I trust rather explicitly. One guess: they didn't like how the current USSC might vote, and acted to stall this thing for a year or more (which is what the consolidation motion would have accomplished).

I got a source for Levy's opinion. Him! I talked to him right after the NRA filed to consolidate. The impression;) I got was that the NRA knows that the court could decide their case without bringing the 2nd ammendment into it. The only reason they even filed their case was to consolidate and quash the CATO one. The NRA thinks that the current SCOTUS is bad for this right now. There was also a hint into the fact that the NRA has to deal with DC all the time and they didnt want to piss off anyone in the local gov.(police.. etc) They also think that a DC case might really split the lines since it is goverened by congress.

I agree with Jim completely. This is a BIG win.

One last point
I think that whatever case eventually goes before the SCOTUS will NOT have been brought by the NRA. ALthough Stephen Halbrook(NRA's lawyer in DC case) would be a great lawyer to have argue since he already has a few SCOTUS wins. His big one(which is now part of constitutional law history) was US v. Printz which struck down parts of the Brady Bill.
 
Now it sounds like clintoon's Supreme Court is going to hear the case before we can confirm at least one conservative judge for a 5-4 win.

Forty years of waiting for nothing.
 
Shooter 2.5

Do you have any idea how long it will be before this case would even possibly be before the supreme court?
 
Ya, the frustrating part here is that Halbrook REALLY is a good guy.

If y'all ain't read it yet, his 1984 work "That Every Man Be Armed" is a GREAT read.
 
Two questions

What and when is the next step for this lawsuit.

How long until, and what are the odds of getting new judges on the bench? If when that happens, what are the odds of them being good judges, and not some other ones, or compromise judges?

Rhetorical question: Why can't the SC just interpret the constitution and leave politics and their bias out of it. Don't they realize the long term damage that they are causing by weakening the constitution.

Thank you Jim, and everyone else, for fighting the good fight.
 
Jim

I agree. Halbrook would be great in front of SCOTUS. Have you read any of his other books? I have the 14th amendment one on order right now and I have read "that every man be armed" a couple of times.
 
Jeeper,

If the libs want to stop the reversal of 20,000 gun laws overnight, it will be a lot sooner than we can hope for.
 
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