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Guillermo
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Literally laughing out loud.
Prius boy is a dumbass
cost of operation is a hell of a lot more than just mileage.
AJMBLAZER
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It gets REALLY screwy when you look into just how much effort, industry, and transportation is put into making a Prius and it's battery packs.
nonseven
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Let's remember that we buy most of our oil from people who would just as soon kill us as sell it to us, and that anything we can do to buy less oil is good for the country.
Boy, this thread has really got off-topic.
Boy, this thread has really got off-topic.
AJMBLAZER
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Including all the oil used to dig up, move, process, assemble, ship some more, ship again, and shipping the components to make said "green" vehicle?
More fuel efficient and energy efficient to just make a 1 ton truck here.
More fuel efficient and energy efficient to just make a 1 ton truck here.
People carrying mixed loads as some sort of wonder weapon practice further confirms that the gun is an attractor for the untrained. We've seen that silliness with handguns and shotguns and NO one legit recommends such.
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GEM, I've seen plenty of people suggest with a defensive pump gun that you load a couple birdshot (see if you get a voluntary stop without much penetration), and the rest buckshot (or buckshot/slugs). While I wouldn't do this, I can see how it would be preferable.
Loading .410 and .45 means you can rotate the cylinder and use whichever one you feel fits your situation better. That's better, IMO, than a tube magazine that you can't rotate between.
Loading .410 and .45 means you can rotate the cylinder and use whichever one you feel fits your situation better. That's better, IMO, than a tube magazine that you can't rotate between.
bassdogs
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One more time---- If you don't like the Judge don't buy one!!!!!
I do and I did!!!!
As for the Judge being for the "untrained", I think you are 100% correct. There are thousands of people looking for self defense that are not frequent shooters. While it is much preferred to shoot hundreds of rounds on a regular basis, many of us can't or simply don't do that. I initially bought a Judge for my wife who is not a regular shooter. She has practiced and is a decent shot with the judge at targets out to 21'. IMHO it is the perfect SD weapon for someone like my wife. It is a point and shoot when loaded with 410 rounds followed with a 45hP. She is much more likely to stop an attack walking to her car or stopped along the road with her judge than a 38sp or whatever.
My final comment is refer to my first comment!
I do and I did!!!!
As for the Judge being for the "untrained", I think you are 100% correct. There are thousands of people looking for self defense that are not frequent shooters. While it is much preferred to shoot hundreds of rounds on a regular basis, many of us can't or simply don't do that. I initially bought a Judge for my wife who is not a regular shooter. She has practiced and is a decent shot with the judge at targets out to 21'. IMHO it is the perfect SD weapon for someone like my wife. It is a point and shoot when loaded with 410 rounds followed with a 45hP. She is much more likely to stop an attack walking to her car or stopped along the road with her judge than a 38sp or whatever.
My final comment is refer to my first comment!
FIVETWOSEVEN
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I don't agree with it but the idea is to hit them with something that will pretty much send them running without much damage to the house. I can't imagine anyone wanting to stick around after getting shot with any gun.
I don't see the point. With a shotgun, you just rack it/cycle it and you can have a slug. The Judge you have to cock/decock to get what you want. I would not want to be cocking and decocking a gun in a life and death situation. If you're about to mention snakes, just don't, please don't. Snakes aren't gonna be able to attack if you keep your distance, if you're worried about one being somewhere, either don't go there or get a sharp stick.
This thread makes it seem like snakes are the most dangerous thing on the planet.
RX-178
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Am I the only one getting a serious sense of deja-vu here?
I think I've even seen the exact same usernames saying the exact same thing before...
I think I've even seen the exact same usernames saying the exact same thing before...
Big Juan
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I think the "subject" is "thread"bare after over 100 posts. Moving on.
If you shoot, you are in a situation where it is life threatening. Sending them running might be a nice concept but using a load that limits your chance of stopping someone is not realistic. No shotgun instructor of any competence recommends such - that's Internet bovine recycling substance.
Having two weak loads first - great plan. That's why the Judge brings out all kinds of tactical crazy crappola in people.
Having two weak loads first - great plan. That's why the Judge brings out all kinds of tactical crazy crappola in people.
FIVETWOSEVEN
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Reminds me on how the French Police used to carry their revolvers with 2 blanks first then 4 live ammo.
Dutch did that also. Something like: a blank, a cork round, a rubber bullet or two, tear gas and then a real one.
I was in Cabela's and got into a 'discussion' with a guy who wanted to load his shotgun with blanks in case racking sounds didn't scare the BG away. The clerk suggested rubber buckshot. :banghead:
Maybe one can post a sign on the front door: I HAVE A JUDGE - So put a watermelon over your head.
I was in Cabela's and got into a 'discussion' with a guy who wanted to load his shotgun with blanks in case racking sounds didn't scare the BG away. The clerk suggested rubber buckshot. :banghead:
Maybe one can post a sign on the front door: I HAVE A JUDGE - So put a watermelon over your head.
The implication with point and shoot is that the shotgun rounds will fill the room with mankilling pellets. Same stuff from shotgun fans who never patterned a gun. Also, as we know with shotguns, you don't want loose pellets all over the place (we aren't shooting birds in the house). Thus, the new controlled wad and expansion rounds. Very impressive tight patterns.
Shoot birdshot through a rifled shotgun barrel to see the wide donut of 'death' - not really.
Take the wife to a good class so she or anyone can hit the target rather than relying on a mythical watermelon killer.
Shoot birdshot through a rifled shotgun barrel to see the wide donut of 'death' - not really.
Take the wife to a good class so she or anyone can hit the target rather than relying on a mythical watermelon killer.
I owned a stainless one for a while. The fit, finish, and function were excellent and I actually really liked the "ribber" grip. I did end up selling it because the more I used it the more I realized that though it did a lot of things, it didn't do any of them terribly well. Accuracy with 45LC was poor and the spread with 410 shot was pretty big. Its construction (at least on mine) was top notch but its practical effectivness was suspect.
nonseven
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My BFR 45/410 with a 7 1/2 barrel, throws 270 grains of lead (5 00 buck pellets) from a 3" 410 shell, at 1,000 fps. Across a large room (20ft) the 5 pellets produce a consistent 3" pattern.
I have no doubt that would be an effective load against a 2 legged predator. But you certainly need to aim, not spray and pray.
I have no doubt that would be an effective load against a 2 legged predator. But you certainly need to aim, not spray and pray.
I'll just give my .02. The purpose of the Judge for me is a 'something goes bump in the night' gun. I wanted something I could use one-handed so I could manipulate door knobs, make cell phone call to police, etc...
The Judge with the built in rail allows me to mount a Streamlight underneath. I dont care about it looking tacticool - it's either in my bedroom safe or in my hand.
I like the shotgun loads since my bedroom door opens to a hallway with my kids' rooms at the end. If for some reason I need to discharge my firearm, I dont want over-penetration. Unless the CIA has deployed a wet team to take me out, a bad guy getting hit with 000 buckshot is going to vacate.
That being said, I also load 2 rounds of .45 Colt - it has excellent accuracy for me at 7 yards. 3" groupings are consistent with point shooting.
It is a pistol that I researched and is ideal for my exact situation. I would not dream of carrying it out of the house - plenty of better choices out there. But for home defense it serves my needs perfectly.
Only gripe I have is that the interior cylinder walls are rough - not polished smooth. So some 410 shells are getting stuck. I will take a Dremel with a gentle rubber polish bit and some Flitz to smooth that out. Other than that its swell.
The Judge with the built in rail allows me to mount a Streamlight underneath. I dont care about it looking tacticool - it's either in my bedroom safe or in my hand.
I like the shotgun loads since my bedroom door opens to a hallway with my kids' rooms at the end. If for some reason I need to discharge my firearm, I dont want over-penetration. Unless the CIA has deployed a wet team to take me out, a bad guy getting hit with 000 buckshot is going to vacate.
That being said, I also load 2 rounds of .45 Colt - it has excellent accuracy for me at 7 yards. 3" groupings are consistent with point shooting.
It is a pistol that I researched and is ideal for my exact situation. I would not dream of carrying it out of the house - plenty of better choices out there. But for home defense it serves my needs perfectly.
Only gripe I have is that the interior cylinder walls are rough - not polished smooth. So some 410 shells are getting stuck. I will take a Dremel with a gentle rubber polish bit and some Flitz to smooth that out. Other than that its swell.
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Just like any other handgun out there.
Just like most modern handguns out there but with the Judge, you can't really reach the light with one hand. You're supposed to keep the light off till you have to ID who you might shoot.
That Buckshot will easily go through that wall and into your kids room and you have alot more things flying at a large spread making it even more dangerous for your kids than if you used a single projectile.
MyGreenGuns
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Wow 16 posts from 527. You really dont like the Judge do ya?!
I think its kinda funny you told someone (earlier in this thread) it wont penetrate beyond 10 feet, and he should get a 12guage; but you tell this guy its gonna go thru the walls and kill his kids.
Not pickin a fight, just an observation.
I think its kinda funny you told someone (earlier in this thread) it wont penetrate beyond 10 feet, and he should get a 12guage; but you tell this guy its gonna go thru the walls and kill his kids.
Not pickin a fight, just an observation.
Most modern interior walls are far easier to penetrate through than a fully grown adult male who is trying to kill you.
Anything that will penetrate your attacker enough to ensure a reliable stop will penetrate interior walls. The reverse is not necessarily true.
MyGreenGuns
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So it wont kill an attacker beyond 10 feet, but it WILL kill his kids after it travels down the hallway, thru the wall and THEN hits his kids?
bikemutt
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I believe GeorgeF just wanted the BG to "vacate", 000 buckshot should accomplish that mission.
I think the problem people have is they see the Judge as a compromise. However, all handguns are a compromise. The difference is that I think of a standard pistol, like say a 1911, a Glock, or a wheelgun as a substitute for a rifle. The Judge is a substitute for a shotgun. It's not a hybrid between a handgun and a shotgun anymore than a S&W 627 is a hybrid between a Glock and a Remington 700.
The Judge fanatics will say that the Judge is perfect for anything, and I'd say they're wrong. It definitely has its downsides.
The Judge naysayers will say that because the judge is a compromise, it's not worth it.
I'm in the middle of the road. The Judge is a tool, much like any other gun. At short range, it will accurately put 3-5 holes in the target (depending on which load of 000 you use) for high recoil. So, you have lots of holes, slightly less accurate shot placement (but honestly, how many of you will hit on a dime exactly where the most vulnerable part of an assailant is in an SD situation? a few inches left or right probably won't make a difference), and a bit more kick. It's a tradeoff, yes, but it does have some advantages.
In a place like a car or a small condo, the Judge would be my first choice for a handgun. In a place like on the street or in a larger building, yeah I'd want something that has a bit more accuracy.
The Judge fanatics will say that the Judge is perfect for anything, and I'd say they're wrong. It definitely has its downsides.
The Judge naysayers will say that because the judge is a compromise, it's not worth it.
I'm in the middle of the road. The Judge is a tool, much like any other gun. At short range, it will accurately put 3-5 holes in the target (depending on which load of 000 you use) for high recoil. So, you have lots of holes, slightly less accurate shot placement (but honestly, how many of you will hit on a dime exactly where the most vulnerable part of an assailant is in an SD situation? a few inches left or right probably won't make a difference), and a bit more kick. It's a tradeoff, yes, but it does have some advantages.
In a place like a car or a small condo, the Judge would be my first choice for a handgun. In a place like on the street or in a larger building, yeah I'd want something that has a bit more accuracy.
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