Just got a SOG Pentagon Elite folder

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That was one of the first "real knives" I bought, several years ago after reading about it in Tactical Knives. After that I bought pretty much every kind of locking knife and the "Arc Lock" seemed as strong as Benchmade's Axis or Spyderco's ball lock. I remember that the SOG had a real solid feel when it locked open. Interesting blade shape, too. Eventually, I started buying smaller fixed blades and sold or traded most of the folders, including the SOG.
 
I love mine. It's sharp, easy to open, and it has a nice finish on the blade.

Unfortunetly, I don't use it much. Washington's knife laws make it illegal to carry a knife with a blade longer than 3.5 inches. :(

I carry a SOG FlashII instead.
 
i have the SOG Pentagon, the standard fixed double blade one. i like it ok

my edc is either my Emerson HD-7 or Benchmade Mel Pardue with Axis Lock
 
I change about once a week in what my EDC is. Love them all really and have everything from my first CQC-7 to the Pentagon and a bunch in between. I love my Pardue as well, but do like to change from time to time. Heck, I even carry either a Rainbow Leek or Trout Leek sometimes if I want a fast opening very light slim folder when in a suit.
 
chupacabra said:
I love mine. It's sharp, easy to open, and it has a nice finish on the blade.

Unfortunetly, I don't use it much. Washington's knife laws make it illegal to carry a knife with a blade longer than 3.5 inches.

I carry a SOG FlashII instead.
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I think that is a City of Seattle law. There is no mention of blade length in the RCW's.
 
hso said:
Better check that law again.
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No mention of blade length.

RCW 9.41.250
Dangerous weapons — Penalty.


Every person who:

(1) Manufactures, sells, or disposes of or possesses any instrument or weapon of the kind usually known as slung shot, sand club, or metal knuckles, or spring blade knife, or any knife the blade of which is automatically released by a spring mechanism or other mechanical device, or any knife having a blade which opens, or falls, or is ejected into position by the force of gravity, or by an outward, downward, or centrifugal thrust or movement;

(2) Furtively carries with intent to conceal any dagger, dirk, pistol, or other dangerous weapon; or

(3) Uses any contrivance or device for suppressing the noise of any firearm,

is guilty of a gross misdemeanor punishable under chapter 9A.20 RCW.

[1994 sp.s. c 7 § 424; 1959 c 143 § 1; 1957 c 93 § 1; 1909 c 249 § 265; 1886 p 81 § 1; Code 1881 § 929; RRS § 2517.]
 
But daggers and dirks are prohibited. Somewhere in that criminal code, there is a definition for daggers and dirks, and that definition could make anything over 3.5 a "dagger."
 
Somewhere in that criminal code, there is a definition for daggers and dirks, and that definition could make anything over 3.5 a "dagger."
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11M,

Can you provide the citation for this?

When blade length is a legal issue they state what the limit is. The state of Washington doesn't have a legal issue with blade length. The city of Seattle does and they limit legal blade length to 3.5 inches.

Daggers and dirks are double edged or suited for stabbing and their length doesn't make them a dagger or dirk.

Updated 2/17/06

Revised Code of Washington (RCW)
Last Update: January 7, 2006

Washington Crimes and Punishments



RCW 9.41.250
Dangerous weapons ? Penalty.

Every person who:

(1) Manufactures, sells, or disposes of or possesses any instrument or weapon of the kind usually known as slung shot, sand club, or metal knuckles, or spring blade knife, or any knife the blade of which is automatically released by a spring mechanism or other mechanical device, or any knife having a blade which opens, or falls, or is ejected into position by the force of gravity, or by an outward, downward, or centrifugal thrust or movement;

(2) Furtively carries with intent to conceal any dagger, dirk, pistol, or other dangerous weapon; or

(3) Uses any contrivance or device for suppressing the noise of any firearm,

is guilty of a gross misdemeanor punishable under chapter 9A.20 RCW.


[1994 sp.s. c 7 § 424; 1959 c 143 § 1; 1957 c 93 § 1; 1909 c 249 § 265; 1886 p 81 § 1; Code 1881 § 929; RRS § 2517.] Effective date -- 1994


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RCW 9.41.260
Dangerous exhibitions.

Every proprietor, lessee, or occupant of any place of amusement, or any plat of ground or building, who allows it to be used for the exhibition of skill in throwing any sharp instrument or in shooting any bow gun or firearm of any description, at or toward any human being, is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable under chapter 9A.20 RCW.


[1994 sp.s. c 7 § 425; 1909 c 249 § 283; RRS § 2535.]


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RCW 9.41.270
Weapons apparently capable of producing bodily harm ? Unlawful carrying or handling ? Penalty ? Exceptions.

(1) It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, exhibit, display, or draw any firearm, dagger, sword, knife or other cutting or stabbing instrument, club, or any other weapon apparently capable of producing bodily harm, in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons.

(2) Any person violating the provisions of subsection (1) above shall be guilty of a gross misdemeanor. If any person is convicted of a violation of subsection (1) of this section, the person shall lose his or her concealed pistol license, if any. The court shall send notice of the revocation to the department of licensing, and the city, town, or county which issued the license.

(3) Subsection (1) of this section shall not apply to or affect the following:

(a) Any act committed by a person while in his or her place of abode or fixed place of business;

(b) Any person who by virtue of his or her office or public employment is vested by law with a duty to preserve public safety, maintain public order, or to make arrests for offenses, while in the performance of such duty;

(c) Any person acting for the purpose of protecting himself or herself against the use of presently threatened unlawful force by another, or for the purpose of protecting another against the use of such unlawful force by a third person;

(d) Any person making or assisting in making a lawful arrest for the commission of a felony; or

(e) Any person engaged in military activities sponsored by the federal or state governments.
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Seattle Municipal Code

Information retrieved February 17, 2006

http://clerk.ci.seattle.wa.us/~scri...1.htm&r=5&Sect6=HITOFF&f=L3;1;12A.14.010.HEAD.


SMC 12A.14.010 Definitions.

The following definitions apply in this chapter:

A. "Dangerous knife" means any fixed-blade knife and any other knife
having a blade more than three and one-half inches (3 1/2") in length.

B. "Fixed-blade knife" means any knife, regardless of blade length,
with a blade which is permanently open and does not fold, retract or
slide into the handle of the knife, and includes any dagger, sword,
bayonet, bolo knife, hatchet, axe, straight-edged razor, or razor
blade not in a package, dispenser or shaving appliance.

C. "Firearm" means a weapon or device from which a projectile may be
fired by an explosive such as gunpowder.

D. "Personal protection spray device" means a commercially available
dispensing device designed and intended for use in self-defense and
containing a nonlethal sternutator or lacrimator agent, including but
not limited to:

1. Tear gas, the active ingredient of which is either
chloracetophenone (CN) or O-chlorobenzylidene malonotrile (CS); or

2. Other agent commonly known as mace, pepper mace, or pepper gas.

E. "Switchblade knife" means any knife having a blade that opens
automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring mechanism,
or other device, or a blade that opens, falls or is ejected into
position by force of gravity or by an outward, downward, or
centrifugal thrust or movement.

(Ord. 117157 Section 2, 1994: Ord. 116872 Section 11,
1993: Ord. 113547 Section 1, 1987: Ord. 112103 Section 1, 1985: Ord.
110785 Section 1, 1982: Ord. 110462 Section 1, 1982: Ord. 103472
Section 1, 1974: Ord. 102843 Section 12A.17.010, 1973.)





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This prohibits the carry of "dangerous knives.

http://clerk.ci.seattle.wa.us/~scri...1.htm&r=5&Sect6=HITOFF&f=L3;1;12A.14.080.HEAD.

SMC 12A.14.080 Unlawful use of weapons.

It is unlawful for a person knowingly to:

A. Sell, manufacture, purchase, possess or carry any blackjack,
sand-club, metal knuckles, switchblade knife, chako sticks, or
throwing stars; or

B. Carry concealed or unconcealed on his or her person any dangerous
knife, or carry concealed on his or her person any deadly weapon other
than a firearm; or

C. Possess a firearm in any stadium or convention center operated by a
city, county or other municipality, except that such restriction shall
not apply to:

1. Any pistol in the possession of a person licensed under RCW
9.41.070 or exempt from the licensing requirement by RCW 9.41.060, or

2. Any showing, demonstration or lecture involving the exhibition of
firearms.

D. Sell or give away to any person under eighteen (18) years of age
any dangerous knife or deadly weapon other than a firearm, or for any
person under eighteen (18) years of age to purchase any dangerous
knife or deadly weapon other than a firearm, or for any person under
eighteen (18) years of age to possess any dangerous knife or deadly
weapon other than a firearm except when under the direct supervision
of an adult.

(Ord. 117157 Section 5, 1994: Ord. 116872 Section 14,
1993: Ord. 113547 Section 3, 1987: Ord. 110785 Section 2, 1982: Ord.
110462 Section 2, 1982: Ord. 110179 Section 2, 1981: Ord. 109674
Section 12, 1981: Ord. 108814 Section 3, 1980: Ord. 102843 Section
12A.17.140, 1973.)

Subsection B regulating the carrying of certain knives is a reasonable
restriction of the right to bear arms. Seattle v. Riggins, 63
Wn.Ap.313, 818 P.2d 1100 (1991).

A citation as "carrying a concealed weapon" with the code section
number is sufficient to charge a violation of SMC 12A.14.080 B.
Seattle v. Hall, 60 Wn.App. 645, 806 P.2d 1246 (1991).

The prohibition of knowing possessing of chako sticks does not
conflict with state law and is not preempted by the state Juvenile
Justice Act. State v. Rabon, 45 Wn.App. 832, 727 P.2d 995 (1986).
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Knife laws are as stupid as Gun laws aren't they? If you look at them they have a lot of similarities. I as in if it looks scary, it is against the law.
 
(2) Furtively carries with intent to conceal any dagger, dirk, pistol, or other dangerous weapon; or
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It would seem that if you have a CCL, as long as the knife is not spring or gravity assisted you could carry it concealed regardless of length. That being said, the law seems to imply that if said legal weapons are not concealed you should have no problem.
(I'm neither a lawyer nor a LEO so this is simply my interperatation of the law. You would have to find out if implication is infact legal defense, and what is meant by "concealed.")
 
Rghto, and even if the law was only by the book, that could still be interpreted differently in 6 out of 6 different courts I' hazzard a guess.
 
sniperstraz said:
It would seem that if you have a CCL, as long as the knife is not spring or gravity assisted you could carry it concealed regardless of length. That being said, the law seems to imply that if said legal weapons are not concealed you should have no problem.
(I'm neither a lawyer nor a LEO so this is simply my interperatation of the law. You would have to find out if implication is infact legal defense, and what is meant by "concealed.")
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It is very specifically a Concealed PISTOL license in Wa. State.

can't even carry an asp with it. now, I'd be golden to carry an AK pistol or the new Sig 556 Pistol, but not an ASP.
 
I feel if we looked at every weapons law on the books, there would be as many if not more contradictions in these laws. Like you can carry a AR pistol with a 30 round mag, a 1911 with a 10 round mag and 6 extra mags, but no butterfly knife, because God knows those butterfly knives are dangerous!
 
Thank god i live in oregon where I feel free to carry an automatic benchmade every day with out wory of being arested. I could also carry my butterfly knife. But my ccw says "pistol" not knife. I can't believe how retarded knife and gun laws are.
 
I was in New York last year to see one of the last games in Yankee stadium. While waiting for a subway an undercover cop comes up to me, flashes his badge and asks me if I had a knife in my pocket. My edc full sized Bechmade griptillian was clipped on my right pocket were it always is (i live in California). Cop tells me it is illegal to carry a " gravity assisted" knife. After ansewing a few questions he let me go with a warning and was cool enough to not take my knife away as long as I kept it out of view for the duration of my visit. I had no idea about this law and things could have been a lot worse if it wasnt for an understanding officer.
 
I had no idea about this law and things could have been a lot worse if it wasnt for an understanding officer.
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He wasn't an "understanding officer" since he was feeding you a line of BS for having rousted you on the pocket clip showing. Your benchmade is not a gravity knife and he knew it once he saw it.
 
I have a SOG Pentagon Elite that I received as a gift about 10 or so years ago. It was made in Seki, Japan. I've heard SOG now makes them in Taiwan FWIW. Its a BIG folder and I don't carry or use it as I have smaller folders that I find more handy. Still, the Penti seems like a good knife with solid lock up and no blade play. Did I say it was BIG??? :evil:
 
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