"Katrin"; All you SHTFers!

Status
Not open for further replies.
The storm's going to affect more than just N. Orleans. I'm praying for those in and around the city. I'm thinking about those more inland who will not see surge but just a lot of wind and rain, power outages, etc. Besides Preacher, aren't you supposed to be blessing those right now instead of the doomsday talk?
 
Well, things seem to be looking a lot better this morning. NO is being spared the worst of the wind, at least. We'll see about the flooding, though.
 
Fox, MSNBC and one of the local MD radio stations have all reported a levee break in New Orleans, but have given few if any details. Wasn't a levee break supposed to be a worst case scenario? :(

I've never been there so I don't know the local geography. Please tell me that there are levees and then there are levees. Are there some levees that could overflow or even break without too much trouble?
 
Chaim, the levees actually break the city into sectors. Depending on who you talk to, there are between nine and thirteen "areas", any one of which could flood without necessarily affecting the others (provided the flood isn't too big, as that would overflow into neighboring areas).

Actually, things look better right now than everyone had predicted. Katrina's jog to the east has moved the strongest winds away from the city. There's a reported break in Sector Nine, which will affect the French Quarter, and indications are that there could be up to eight feet of water in some areas. The pumps have stopped (power's out), and their backup generators haven't kicked in for some reason, so the heavy rainfall will cause some general problems. The main threat, the predicted 24-to-28-foot storm surge, is now reported to be less than expected, probably in the 15-to-20-foot range, so the levee walls against Lake Pontchartrain may hold - but that's not guaranteed. If they let go, then New Orleans is under water, period. If they hold, the flooding can perhaps be minimized.

I'm exhausted right now... I have about 30 evacuees staying with me. They arrived in RV's and travel trailers, most of them exhausted from up to 10 hours on the road. Last night I put all the kids (eleven of them) on my living-room floor, and hauled in three of the ladies to be available as surrogate moms to all of them. The rest of the adults got some sleep in the RV's. I've learned that pain meds and sleep aids don't work against serial crying from that many kids! Later this morning, once all the adults are up and about, I'm going to banish them all to get some food in town, and try and catch up on my sleep for a few hours.

So far, we've been incredibly fortunate. Let's see what the next few hours bring.
 
I75 and I40 cross here in Knoxville and if any of you need to push north to make room for more refugees coming in from the SW you're welcome to come to my place.

I've got a field big enough space for 8 for RV/campers and another 1,000 square feet of "guest" space.

I'll reemphasize that this is not a fort up and protect the homestead issue for folks in NO. Smarts and luck, not guns, are what will keep you safe. Smart enough to have gotten moving early and luck enough to have a place to go and a clear enough route to get there.

For folks near, but not in the "bull’s-eye", NO dealing with looters may become an issue.

I expect that Peter is far enough away, 250 miles NW of NO, that there won't be anything but short term interruption of services. Everyone there should be safe.

Folks contemplating returning to NO and it's environs, they will be facing blocked roads and progressively greater disruption of services as they approach. These folks will be the ones with the greatest concern for personal safety wrt violence.

good luck
 
Thank you Preacherman. I was starting to wonder if the levee breach that was reported had to be relatively minor because there were some initial reports but no details, but not having ever been there I wasn't sure if minor breaches were possible, . If it was going to effect the entire city I would think there'd be more reports. It does sound like one or two neighborhoods are completely underwater however.

From the CNN, MSNBC and Fox reports it sounds like Mobile, AL and Gulfport, MS are getting the worst of it. CNN is reporting Gulfport is under 10-12' of water. MSNBC is now reporting pretty much all of Mobile is under water with buildings completely submerged. Still, LA is bad too with flooding, not just in New Orleans.

My prayers and hopes are with all of you in the hurricane's path. This is ugly.

BTW- any TN area residents know what is expected your way when Katrin gets to you? I understand the storm may track through you later. I have an uncle and his family in Memphis and we haven't been able to contact him to see what they expect and to see how they are prepared.
 
Last edited:
Chiam,

If I were in Memphis I'd be concerned about high winds and secondary tornadoes more than Katrina's rain. It looks like the center of the tropical storm Katrina will become will slip just east of Memphis, but there won't be a good idea how far east until tonight. The further east of Memphis the better for Memphis (but not for Middle and East Tennessee).

Here in E. Tenn. we're watching the path and forecasts for possible flooding (not a problem in my immediate area, but many roads will have creeks crossing them instead the roads crossing the creek) and heavy winds (a real headache for me with 3/4 mile of road through the woods). I keep a come-along and tow-line and axe in the vehicle at all times and will add the chainsaw if winds look to be "bad". I'll also add a shotgun.

Regardless of where you are in Tennessee, it's gonna be like some divorces here. Someone's gonna loose a trailer. (sorry, had to inject a little tacky levity into the tradgedy :scrutiny: )
 
I rode out Hugo in Charleston, SC Sept 21, 1989. Quoth the Raven: "Nevermore".

That storm was only 135MPH winds when it came rolling into Charleston Harbor just after midnight. Took down TV station 1670-Ft Broadcast Tower at Awendaw, SC..A bit north of Charleston/Mt. Pleasant, SC. I'll pass on riding out any more storms, thanks.

My God speed and guide all those in Harm's Way.

I don't think being in the Superdome is a good idea, either. During Hugo, the Mt. Pleasant High School gym was opened as a shelter...Big Flat roof and heavy rain...well roof gave way, folks got wet inside.
 
Soo... I went to the Wikipedia website... and got THIS.

z9045701.jpg

laughing.gif
 
Just read a news report of a woman calling from her attic that she was trapped with 3 kids inside. And another guy on a cell phone from his attic saying the water was rising fast but he wasn't ready to use the crowbar and break out onto the roof just yet, but would somebody please send a boat.

UNBELIEVABLE!

What the blue bloody blazes do people like this use for brains? There is no way on this earth they could have NOT known that the governor ordered the area evacuated. Just who do they think is going to be coming around with a boat to give them a lift?

More to the point ... why should anyone risk their lives to save someone who is too dumb to at least make an effort to get to high ground before the storm hit?
 
hawkmoon... lol, i agree. people should have the freedom to evacuate, and, they should be absolutely free to stay at home, and face the storm, if they want. this does not mean that anybody should feel compelled to go get them, though...

i think this storm is really unfolding a shtf scenario right in front of us. up to now, weapons have been largely useless. we'll see if it stays that way. i hope all goes well down south for the next day or 3...
 
Well, it looks like NO dodged a bullet by the slimmest of margins. The eyewall of Katrina tracked along the east bank of the Mississippi, and all four parishes (= counties) along that side of the river are devastated. Water everywhere, most houses clobbered very comprehensively, etc. This includes a large chunk of the greater NO metropolitan area, which spread out to the east bank long ago. There are estimated to be several tens of thousands of people in those parishes who decided to stay put and ride it out. No-one has heard yet from those in the southern parishes, especially Plaquemines. I've traveled there a lot, in towns like Buras, Port Sulphur, Diamond, etc., and I well recall standing at the church in Diamond and watching an ocean-going ship sailing past above my head - the levees along the river there are very high. If those levees collapsed or were overtopped by storm surge, those towns don't exist any more... :(

The western side of the river seems to have had a lot of wind damage and some flooding along the southern shores of Lake Pontchartrain, but the majority of the NO central urban area seems to have escaped with mostly wind damage (which is bad enough - thousands of windows blown out, roofs off, electricity out, pumps and drainage systems not working, etc.). As expected, the flooding that has occured has polluted the fresh water system, so a boil advisory is in effect, and will probably stay that way for several weeks. Fire-ant colonies that were drowned out are now swimming around, looking for anything solid to climb onto, and the same goes for snakes, etc. There are reports of some folks being admitted to hospital with really, really bad ant bites, as the fire-ants decided to climb the same structures the people were using for support. Ouch!

Up here in the Alexandria area, we definitely lucked out. The western side of the storm came within 20 miles, but didn't come overhead. Again, the eastward jog that Katrina took during the small hours of this morning saved us. It was wierd looking at local radar, seeing the solid band of wind and rain brushing right up against the eastern part of the metropolitan area, but staying just off to the side. We're all breathing a sigh of relief (or two, or three...).

My guests relieved me of responsibility for the kids late this morning, so I was able to sleep this afternoon. They're planning on raiding a local restaurant tonight, and will head back to the NO area tomorrow morning. I've warned them that they won't be allowed to go back, but they want to be closer than here (four-and-a-half hour's drive away), and plan on camping out near Baton Rouge, so that as soon as they're notified that they can return, they'll have less than an hour's drive. They're worried about looters plundering their homes (with reason - some looting has already been reported). Two families are well-armed to protect themselves, but others of the greater blissninny persuasion are not armed. They've asked me to loan them weapons, but since they have no familiarity, training or experience with them, I've had to refuse. If they'd stay on a day or two to let me teach them something, that would be different: but they won't, so I won't.

Thanks to all who prayed for us. The problems are only just beginning, in many ways, but I think we were spared a major catastrophe. If that eyewall had tracked just five miles further to the west... :eek:
 
i saw that guy with the crowbar on the news too Hawkmoon.
ive been though many hurricanes (andrew georges floyd irene frances jeanee and now Katrina) but i still think that if i had to go through a natural disaster id rather have these. tornados are shorter (ive been though one of those too), but they come out of nowere without any warning and destroy everything in thier path. blizards and ice storms shut you in your house for long periods, often times without power wen its freezing outside. earthquakes come with no warning wat so ever and the big ones kill alot more then the big hurricanes do.
and unlike the people in california were they have eathquakes, ppl in GA SC NC AL LA MS TX and Florida all get to keep thier guns (sorry to rub it in)
 
preacherman.. glad you made it okay. as for the people who decided to stay, you made your choice so live or die with it. tough, but there it is. sometimes stupid decisions can be fatal. people need to understand that. a lot of people have been sheltered/coddled their whole lives, and when they are faced with a major event like this they don't have a clue.if they don't have a way out, that's different. if they do and they're stupid enough to stay, they get no sympathy from me.
 
Two families are well-armed to protect themselves, but others of the greater blissninny persuasion are not armed. They've asked me to loan them weapons, but since they have no familiarity, training or experience with them, I've had to refuse. If they'd stay on a day or two to let me teach them something, that would be different: but they won't, so I won't.
I honestly don't think I would lend a weapon even if they DID know how to use it. Once the weapon passes off my property under the control of someone other than myself, I rather suspect that a "transfer" has taken place. That's problem number one. Problem number two is that it is still my gun, and that means I'm probably likely to be held liable for anyone "it" kills, even though it's 4-1/2 hours to the south and in someone else's temporary custody.

I might think about it a little longer if the petitioner was my brother ... but I'd probably still say no. Sister isn't a problem ... her husband has nicer guns than I do.
 
Watching the hurricane coverage when it suddenly hit me why many didn't seek shelter in the Super Dome...wonder if they were criminals, druggies and drunks? Those with arrest warrants, drug and alcohol habits who knew they couldn't take contraband to the shelters....
 
Wasn't until just a short while ago that I realized I'd left the final "a" off of "Katrina". Kind of a minor thing, huh?

Lot's of people with absolutely nothing left, maybe not even their loved ones!

God bless 'em. Bad times ahead for a lot of folks.

Just heard the Gov. of Mississippi. "...deal with looters very harshly!" My thoughts exactly. I can see people scrounging to live, but why carry off a TV set when you might not have power for six months. Lock and load!

Stay safe.
Bob
 
Bob F
the national guard will probably be out in the streets watchin for that very soon.
i went down to homestead wich was ground zero after Andrew hit the next day and they were all over handing out MREs to ppl
 
Saw on the news that lots of those as*hats that went to the superdome got out and immediatly went looting afterwards,what morons...... :fire:
And I agree,if one decides to "ride it out" and gets fu...messed up,then they made a bad decision and will have to deal with it :cuss:
Call it culling the herd...
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top