Kennedy Just Explained What He Means By "Cop-Killer" Bullets

[Maimaktes]

He means *rifle* ammunition, such as .223, 7.63 mm, and even the .30-30 -- all three specifically mentioned. Well, yes, of course: practically *any* centerfire rifle ammunition can penetrate ordinary concealeable "soft" body armor.

Then he went on to specifically list the .50 BMG cartridge.

This has nothing to do with genuine armor-piercing *handgun* ammunition, first banned in 1986. An expanded ban on *allegedly* armor-piercing handgun ammunition took effect in the mid-1990s.

Kennedy is actually proposing a "performance based" definition of "armor-piercing" which would include almost all center-fire rifle ammunition. But no armor-piercing *handgun* ammunition has been sold legally to private purchasers in many years.

Maimaktes

 

[MeekandMild]

What's the ballistic coefficient of a 3000 pound car going 60 mph, Senator?

 

[Demon440]

Has a cop ever been killed by a .50 BMG?

 

[Harry Tuttle]

so how many cases of SS109 are in private hands?

 

[ctdonath]

Once, at close range. That it was a .50 is practically irrelevant: almost anything would have had the same results.

 

[ump45]

I just watched Senator Kennedy on C-SPAN2 channel. He wants to ban all ammunition that can penetrate soft body armor (Level IIIA and below). This includes most common rifle cartridges like the .270, .30-30, .308, etc...

The scary thing is how he tries to call these "armor piercing bullets". Of course they are capable of piercing armor, they are being shot out of rifles!!!

He cited some FBI statistics that show, from 1994 to 2002, only 20 officers wearing body armor have been shot with "armor-piercing bullets" and 17 of them died. That sounds like a really really low number to me! Only 20 cases in almost a decade?

 

[FPrice]

ump45...

"He cited some FBI statistics that show, from 1994 to 2002, only 20 officers wearing body armor have been shot with "armor-piercing bullets" and 17 of them died."

I remember reading some of these summaries and, IIRC, all of these officers were killed because the bullet hit them above, below, or in openings in the body armor. None that I recall actually defeated the armor itself.

 

[MeekandMild]

Massachusetts body armor:

 

[Master Blaster]

My soda just ran out my nose on that one.

Too bad Mary Joe didnt have one of those

 

[Mizzoutiger]

I'll bet that girl at Chappaquiddick was wishing she was wearing one of those Massachussetts body armor.

 

[cordex]

This would be almost as good as banning shotguns!

Just think how many people this would wake up!

"But ... they said they wudn't take muh thutty-thutty!"

 

[BHPshooter]

He wants to ban all ammunition that can penetrate soft body armor (Level IIIA and below). This includes most common rifle cartridges like the .270, .30-30, .308, etc...

Ha! If he wants to ban anything that can penetrate IIIA or LOWER then you might as well flush the 2nd Amendment down the toilet. That would effectively ban almost every gun. I don't remember which bullets will penetrate what, but I'm pretty sure .357 Magnum and 9mm will be outlawed as well.



Wes

 

[Weimadog]

Sheesh, Thefumigator, that kind of commentary makes us look bad.

Look for political solutions. I would settle for Kennedy being driven out of office.
Oops! I used "driven" and "Kennedy" in the same sentence. My bad.

 

[Wildalaska]

That comment does not belong here

WilddisgustingAlaska

 

[TCD]

Come on guys, we need to be better than that.

Remember, The High Road

 

[Benton]

cordex, you are so right!

If the Elmer Fudds of the nation (and I view about all my relatives and half my friends in that catagory) would wake up, some of this legislative foolishness might stop. There are a lot of them, many are politically influential, but they haven't viewed any of the gun control of the past few decades as a threat. They will be surprised, indeed, one day when they find out how far the regulation has already extended.

 

[Hkmp5sd]

"He cited some FBI statistics that show, from 1994 to 2002, only 20 officers wearing body armor have been shot with "armor-piercing bullets" and 17 of them died."

NO LEO in the United States has EVER been killed by an armor piercing bullet. AP rounds have never been available commercially to average citizens.

Kennedy Just Explained What He Means By "Cop-Killer" Bullets

I wonder if he knows the definition of, "Vehicular Manslaughter", "DUI", "Perjury" and "Leaving the Scene of the Crime."

 

[J Jones]

Come on guys, we need to be better than that.

Maybe, but I don't feel that warm and cuddly toward murderers. If he'd taken the bullet at the right timepoint, one woman might still be alive.

 

[TheBluesMan]

AP rounds have never been available commercially to average citizens.

Coulda sworn I saw API cartridges in .50BMG *and* .30-06 at the last gunshow I went to...

 

[CaesarI]

Missing Point

This kind of crap won't pass. They won't ban .270 or .308 trust me on that one.

We haven't come that far, not yet, the deer hunters would have a fit.

Besides, even if it did, it wouldn't make it through the House.

This is Kennedy's wet dream, he'll try and compromise it. This is his starting point so he can bargain down.

The aim here is to kill the gun industry immunity bill (which already provides little immunity).

-Morgan

 

[Hkmp5sd]

Coulda sworn I saw API cartridges in .50BMG *and* .30-06 at the last gunshow I went to...

§ 178.37 Manufacture, importation and sale of armor piercing ammunition.

No person shall manufacture or import, and no manufacturer or importer shall sell or deliver, armor piercing ammunition, except:
(a) The manufacture or importation, or the sale or delivery by any manufacturer or importer, of armor piercing ammunition for the use of the United States or any department or agency thereof or any State or any department, agency or political subdivision thereof;
(b) The manufacture, or the sale or delivery by a manufacturer or importer, of armor piercing ammunition for the purpose of exportation; or
(c) The sale or delivery by a manufacturer or importer of armor piercing ammunition for the purposes of testing or experimentation as authorized by the Director under the provisions of § 178.149.

 

[Kodiak AK]

30-30? You mean like in My Winchester 94 lever action hunting rifle?


Remeber they only want to ban the evil black guns.

 

[Russ]

MeekandMild,

You forgot to add a 3000 pound car going off a bridge into a river in the middle of the night. IMHO, Kennedy should just be getting out of prison about now for manslaughter. If you did what he did now, you'd be looking at 25 to life easy. Why does anyone take this buffoon seriously?

Ah, it must be his 3-400 million dollars.

 

[SodiumBenzoate]

I got my dad to email Santorum, not that he will actually read it before the vote.

 

[Benton]

Well, there certainly is a lot of santorum in Congress these days.