Knife fighting video...

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I never saw that before. Thanks for the info. One of the most dangerous things about a knife in the wrong hands is underestimating the damaging power of the weapon and the speed at which an attack can occur.
 
You CAN win a knife fight while unarmed....if you can tolerate pain.

As long as you don't get stabbed or get your neck sliced, then you'll be OK. A slash is fine because it's not hitting any organs or arteries as it rides across the skin. It looks gruesome and deadly but your slash wound can be stitched back up no problem.....just don't get it infected.
 
A slash can easily lay open arteries, sever muscles and tendons, and open up your abdomen to let your guts fall out. I wouldn't be so cavalier about it Evil Monkey.
 
I talking about from a defensive position, being actively engaged in a knife fight while being unarmed. Seeing how you'll be moving around alot, trying to avoid the knife, it will be more difficult for the enemy to get in a deep cut.
 
After watching that vid the officer could have used a couple techniques such as falling backwards while drawing on the ground and shoot up at the assailant. Also, another option is to time the attacker and do a front push kick (thai style) right to the stomach of the assailant and then draw---you must practice these techinques though . Not much else you can do though but better than nothing at all. I would not want to be sliced and diced..some of those wounds would make me pass out if I seen them on me or anyone else.
 
Evil Monkey,

What's your background in knives?
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I have no experience.:uhoh:

I am just thinking about what's likely to happen in an unarmed knife fight when the goal for the knife weilder is not stealthy assasination.

Hso, are you experienced in knife fighting? If so, please give the rest of us tips! Or some other qualified person give us tips. Might save a person's life one day.
 
The only time you ever want to get into a Knife fight is if You can call in air strike,or your the one who mis read the invertation & thought you had to bring a shot gun ! Take a 12 inch ruler tape a marker pen with the tip just over the end ! This becomes the knife ! let some one attack you with it & try to fend them off ! every mark on you with the marker represents a cut ! You'll be suprised at the number of marks on you wit the person just slashing at you ! Best methord isto grab something to keep the attacker at bay pef at least a yard from you ! Also try & place something between you & the attacker even a light pole to keep them at a dis tance & off balance!

Dave
 
I got stuck once. I was breaking up a fight in Dennys lounge in Columbia SC.

I got stuck and did not know it until the fight was over. I was pretty drunk. Hurt later. Should have let the spec -4 who started the fight take the hit. Stupid.

But youth is dangerous.
 
Be careful. There's a lot of cruddy knife defense being taught out there. I took a course more or less because John at the gun shop said "Hey, we're having a knife instructor come in on Saturday!" It cost $25 and I honestly think I'd have been better off buying more primers and powder.

The instructor was certified in "Hock" Hochheim's CQC system, apparently mostly through video training at home. He had sparring knives, but there was no sparring, despite the fact that there were only two students. The prison ganking videos were useful to see, but that was about it. We learned . . . . well, nothing much.

What are you going to be taking, if you don't mind my asking?


Evil Monkey, I also have no experience (as you can tell.) But I can tell you from EMS work that slashes are no joke. We had a guy almost bleed out from slashes the internet would sneer at about a month ago. He offended the local Iron Sleds MC and two members accepted his apology, sat and drank with him, took him outside for a talk, everything was peachy. When he walked back into the bar, he turned his back and went first. They both pulled knives (Buck 110's, I think, but don't quote me on that) and slashed him. He had a gash across the back of his head and down across his ear, and another nasty one across the meaty part of his trapezius and neck. No major arteries cut or he WOULD have died there on the floor of Maguire's Pub. As it was, people were falling down because of the blood. It was everywhere.
I was driving that night and I can tell you that the EMT in the back thought I was going too slowly.

Local News Story
 
Speaking from experience here, slashes are definatly no joke. And yes, you can win a knife fight being unarmed, and pain tolerance has little to do with it if you know what your doing, distance is much more your friend. When I was cut one time, I didn't know it or even feel it until well after the situation was resolved.
 
Hi Boomstick hope you enjoy the knife course, but be mindful that the Police could use it against you as proof of your intent to use the Spyderco UK penknife as an offensive weapon if they ever got wind of your attendance.

I am not suggesting that you shoudn't attend but rather keep it quiet.
 
Seems the best thing to do when a knife is pulled, or when someone is trying to lunge/charge at you is run. My bet is to run several steps perpendicular to his charge, then away from the attacker. By yourself time to get your CCW out and ready, or make a retreat as quickly as possible. Don't take the charge, make every effort to distance yourself from the attacker, and if necessary, engage him on more favorable terms.

In the video, the simulated attackers momentum takes him a bit past his victim. The time it takes for him to turn around and reaquire the target, you could be several yard away with a CCW at the ready.

Pop Pop Pop, never bring a knife to a gun fight....
 
Hi Boomstick hope you enjoy the knife course, but be mindful that the Police could use it against you as proof of your intent to use the Spyderco UK penknife as an offensive weapon if they ever got wind of your attendance.

I am not suggesting that you shoudn't attend but rather keep it quiet.
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If the Police were going to use anything against me it would probably be the contents of my home.
I have guns , gun books, a knife collection, martial art books, spy books, SAS books, films depicting graphic violence (Stars Wars.....:rolleyes: ) the media would have a field day.

The fact that I've raised rescue cats, teach diving (for free), assisted my disabled mother from the age of 5 and married my wife in the Carribean, wouldn't get mentioned.

I'd be in the papers and on the news as a 'gun obsessed', 'martial art expert' as I expect most of you would be too.
 
…not forgetting that they would also say that you spent time on the INTERNET! shock horror!!!! Because every proper villian needs to spend time on the internet if you want the public to think he is guilty of something.
 
As for the video, if Paul Vunak doesn't know what he's talking about, noone does. Bongos notwithstanding. (I've trained at a school that was traditional in that sense as well)
 
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thing to me was the speed at which attacks came. I have been informally trained in sword fighting and if I attacked without warning with almost any swordlike weapon, I could cut most people up in seconds ( no bragging most people have no experiance at all) , however, if I did not score a serious blow or even if I did and the defender was determined enough and armed with any gun, I would lose the fight. Slashes against the arms usually do little more than scare the recipeint. Modern eastern martial arts and ''sports'' martial arts, unfortunatly are not useful against a determined attacker, in most cases. what they do is teach people with too limited experience attacking and defensive moves too complicated and slow to be of any use, especially the kicks. When people are attacked they don't have time to think about complicated kicks, blocks, ect. Modern eastern martial arts don't teach enough mindset enough years to render those effective. In the old days of judo, samurai trained all their lives in the mindset and extremely complicated moves of that art. Most people should use use unarmed combat only as a last resort when their primary and secondary weapons are gone, just like the samurai were with judo (the idea of judo is to survive with your weapons having been taken away from you, that is why it is so defensive)
 
Judo was created years after Samurai had more or less ceased to exist as a class. It was created by Jigoro Kano to simplify the mess of "deadly techniques" Jujitsu/Budo/whatever you want to call it had become. Today we see the biggest change as the addition of live practice, Randori. Before Kano, the emphasis was on how many techniques you could teach someone and how deadly and gruesome they were. If your teacher knew 500 techniques, but that teacher knew 1000, that teacher was twice as good as your teacher (this mindset has still not gone away in most places.)

Judo took the opposite approach--which of these techniques can I practice against an opponent who is trying with all his heart to thwart it and attack me with his own technique? Only those techniques went into the Judo curriculum. This made Judo at once the safest art in Japan, but also the roughest and most dangerous, because even though Judoka studied fewer techniques, they studied them at full speed. When they went out and challenged the "classical" ryu schools, the Judoka cleaned house. The only people who gave Kano's Kodokan students serious trouble were Fusen Ryu students, who refused to play the Kodokan grip-and-throw game and instead forced a grappling submission match. Kano promptly brought them into the fold and added their approach to Kodokan Judo.

No Samurai used Judo on the battlefield and, as far as I know, Judo has never taught weapons at all, nor has Judo been extensively practiced in battlefield armor until the modern era introduced ballistic armor.

Kano wanted two things from Judo:

1. He wanted an effective art that could be applied in real time against a real opponent.

2. He wanted a national sport for Japan that recalled their fighting heritage but was safe enough to be part of the elementary school curriculum--a pursuit of sel-improvement and excellence. Kano was himself an educator. It has become customary for martial arts teachers to take the title of "Professor," but Kano was called that because he was a respected researcher and teacher of educators.
 
Non to push the bloodlust button, but the moral of the story with that video is that a guy with a knife at close range can easily kill you, so you got to be ready kill him.

I was attacked when I was a 18 by a guy with a knife. It was chilling because the one scene (with the goofy bongo playing) in that video was identical to what I went through. I had some karate and boxing training under my belt but in the end I was just sparring back and forth with the guy trying not to get cut. I could not connect with anything good and he cut me twice, both minor. The kicker is I was in the best shape of my life and this guy was possibly homeless and definately high on something and he had a big advantage. A few minutes into his attack the guy tuckered out enough for me to run away. Just walking home from work, minding my own business. It a big reason why I carry BOTH a knife and a gun today. Now I'm too old, slow and fat to fight a knife carrying nut unarmed. I totally respect what can be done with a knife.
 
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Y'all need one of these:

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Cuts against the forearms are very effective fight-stoppers. In the 19th century there was a whole fencing system, manchette, comprised of attacks and counter-attacks against the other guy's sword arm. I imagine it would be just as effective against someone trying to draw a gun. Of course, if you're still 20 feet away when the gunman draws, then you are toast.
 
Hello Evil Monkey,

Do not give disregard to the damage slashes give. A couple of slashes to the arms or legs will lead to the being bleed out quickly, not to mention the damage done to tissue, muscle, tendons, and veins. Rarely knife fighting has the one stab stops all/kills all technique. Its a process of "cutting down" the adversary. which always begins with slashes.

Defence against a knife attack is distance, find / create a avenue of escape and take it. If you have a CCW its then about immediately drawing, shooting and hitting your target several times.

To see for yourself try Googling "knife cut victims" (or other choice of words) for images. Any emergency room Nurse or Doctor knows all to well what slash damage is.

Peace,
Talon:cool:
 
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