Lessons of a Vietnam Helicopter Crewman

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Lessons of a Vietnam Helicopter Crewman

1. Once you are in the fight, it is way too late to wonder if it was a good idea.

2. Helicopters are cool!

3. It is a fact that helicopter tail rotors are instinctively drawn toward trees, stumps, rocks, etc. While it may be possible to ward off this natural event some of the time, it cannot, despite the best efforts of the crew, always be prevented. It's just what they do.

4. NEVER get into a fight without more ammunition than the other guy.

5. The engine RPM, and the rotor RPM, must BOTH be kept in the GREEN. Failure to heed this commandment can affect the morale of the crew.

6. A billfold in your hip pocket can numb your leg and be a real pain in the ???.

7. Cover your Buddy, so he can be around to cover you.

8. Letters from home are not always great.

9. The madness of war can extract a heavy toll. Please have exact change.

10. Share everything. Even the Pound Cake.

11. Decisions made by someone over your head will seldom be in your best interest.

12. The terms "Protective Armor" and "Helicopter" are mutually exclusive.

13. The further away you are from your friends, the less likely it is that they can help you when you really need them the most.

14. If being good and lucky is not enough, there is always payback.

15. "Chicken Plates" are not something you order in a restaurant.

16. If everything is as clear as a bell, and everything is going exactly as planned, you're about to be surprised.

17. The B.S.R. (Bang, Stare, Read) Theory states that the louder the sudden bang in the helicopter, the quicker your eyes will be drawn to the gauges.

18. The longer you stare at the gauges, the less time it takes them to move from green to red.

19. It does too get cold in Vietnam.

20. No matter what you do, the bullet with your name on it will get you. So too can the ones addressed "To Whom It May Concern".

21. Gravity may not be fair, but it is the law.

22. If the rear echelon troops are really happy, the front line troops probably do not have what they need.

23. If you are wearing body armor, the incoming will probably miss that part.

24. It hurts less to die with a uniform on than to die in a hospital bed.

25. Happiness is a belt-fed weapon.

26. If something hasn't broken on your helicopter, it's about to.

27. Eat when you can. Sleep when you can. Visit the head when you can. The next opportunity may not come around for a long time. If ever.

28. Combat pay is a flawed concept.

29. Having all your body parts intact and functioning at the end of the day beats the alternative.

30. Air superiority is NOT a luxury.

31. If you are allergic to lead it is best to avoid a war zone.

32. It is always a bad thing to run out of airspeed, altitude, and ideas all at the same time.

32a. Nothing is as useless as altitude above you and runway behind you.

33. While the rest of the crew may be in the same predicament, it's almost always the pilot's job to arrive at the crash site first.

34. When you shoot your gun, clean it the first chance you get.

35. Loud sudden noises in a helicopter WILL get your undivided attention.

36. Hot garrison chow is better than hot C-rations, which, in turn is better than cold C-rations, which is better than no food at all. All of these, however, are preferable to cold rice balls (given to you by guards) even if they do have the little pieces of fish in them.

37. WHAT is often more important than WHY.

38. Boxes of cookies from home must be shared.

39. Girlfriends are fair game. Wives are not.

40. Everybody's a hero on the ground in the club after the fourth drink.

41. There is no such thing as a small firefight.

42. A free-fire zone has nothing to do with economics.

43. The farther you fly into the mountains, the louder the strange engine noises become.

44. Medals are OK, but having your body and all your friends in one piece at the end of the day is better.

44a. The only medal you really want to be awarded is the Longevity Medal.

45. Being shot hurts.

46. Thousands of Vietnam Veterans earned medals for bravery every day. A few were even awarded.

48. Running out of pedal, fore or aft cyclic, or collective are all bad ideas. Any combination of these can be deadly.

49. Nomex is NOT fire proof.

50. There is only one rule in war: When you win, you get to make up the Rules.

51. Living and dying can both hurt a lot.

53. While a Super Bomb could be considered one of the four essential building blocks of life, powdered eggs cannot.

54. C-4 can make a dull day fun.

55. Cocoa Powder is neither.

56. There is no such thing as a fair fight, only ones where you win or lose.

57. If you win the battle you are entitled to the spoils. If you lose you don't care.

58. Nobody cares what you did yesterday or what you are going to do tomorrow. What is important is what you are doing NOW to solve our problem.

59. If you have extra, share it quickly.

60. Always make sure someone has a P-38.

61. A sucking chest wound may be God's way of telling you it's time to go home.

62. Prayer may not help . . . but it can't hurt.

63. Flying is better than walking. Walking is better than running. Running is better than crawling. All of these however, are better than extraction by a Med-Evac, even if this is technically a form of flying.

64. If everyone does not come home none of the rest of us can ever fully come home either.

65. Do not fear the enemy, for your enemy can only take your life. It is far better that you fear the media, for they will steal your HONOR.

66. A grunt is the true reason for the existence of the helicopter. Every helicopter flying in Vietnam had one real purpose: To help the grunt. It is unfortunate that many helicopters never had the opportunity to fulfill their one true mission in life simply because someone forgot this fact.

67. "You have the right to remain silent" is always EXCELLENT advice.
 
my fiance and i met a vietnam vet/chopper pilot who was shot down way more times than anyone should have to endure
the first time was with an arrow shot by some peasant that stuck in his gas tank
brave fellows all....
:)
BSR
 
Rvn 68-69

Thanks I will pass this on to other buddies I served with in RVN.101st Avn. Bn.101st Airborne D company Eagle,Phu Bai.LZ Sally.Evans, (it was a long year).
 
Att: DorGunR

Very well written, my friend! Two thing's, a) it
makes me wish I had served as a helo pilot;
instead of a medic; and b) reminds me of an
ole bud that was a door gunner with the 187th
Assault Helicopter Company based in Tay Ninh
from about 1968 to 1971 or so.

There were several sections I liked, but my
favorite was #44.

Respectfully,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
 
Ala Dan, nothing wrong with being a pill pusher.
Thanks for my freedom.
Thank you for serving.
Welcome home.

RTFM.
 
Things I Learned in RVN

1. A helicopter is the only machine that when carefully designed, well-built, prefessionally maintained, and properly operated tries to rip itself apart when used.

2. M-60 brass will find the tail rotor.

3. A huey has the glide ratio of a wet seabag.

4. Autorotation my A$$ !!!

5. The only thing louder than a bag or thud deep over Indian Country is the sudden realizaion that there is no loud noise.

6. In a helo there is no such thing as an "Oh, Oh!" Everything is an "Oh Sh*t!"

7. Every time the Army scrapped a huey, it was given to HAL-3.

:evil:
 
1. Once you are in the fight, it is way too late to wonder if it was a good idea.
Something the left could stand to pay attention to these days.

- Gabe
 
To Set The Record Straight-

Att: RTFM

Many thanks for the kind words, my friend. I'm sorry,
but I believe my post might have been mis-leading?
I served as a 91A10 medical specialist, with the 18th
Sugical Hospital out of Fort Gordon, GA. My unit was
eventually assigned in country, around Pleiku, RSVN
but I was never in country! Instead, I remained
state side working in the E/R at Fort Gordon.

I wanted to correct this info immediately, as I have
the utmost respect for all who were called to serve
in that faraway land. I guess I was one of the lucky
ones of that era?

Anyway, to all the Viet-Nam War Veterans- both past
and present-

A big S-A-L-U-T-E and Welcome Home

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
 
The fact that you were willing to go if called to do so makes you an equal to those of use who were called.

By the way, when in the boonies, your best friend is always "Doc".

sensei
 
Must have been some danged close buddies to share your pound cake with! Did'ja share the fruit coctail juice too?
 
It is a fact that helicopter tail rotors are instinctively drawn toward trees, stumps, rocks, etc. While it may be possible to ward off this natural event some of the time, it cannot, despite the best efforts of the crew, always be prevented. It's just what they do.
Tail rotors are for sissies. Real men fly tandems. Phrogs Forever!

M-60 brass will find the tail rotor.
M-60 are for sissies. Real men bring their ma with 'em. Brownings Forever!


HMM-264 "Black Knights"
 
cdbeaver thanks for the kind words but I did not write that, it was e-mailed to me by a friend. However I was a helicopter crewman in vietnam for 3 years and of the 22 years I was in the Army I was on Flight Status for 14 of those years.

NOKLUE3 a special thanks to you Sir......you guys turned some otherwise hot LZ's into LZ's that that we could land on with cool gun barrels.

Ala Dan I would like to second what sensei said. "Docs" were always some of the best.
 
Definition of a Helicopter; 10,000 parts flying in loose formation,closely followed by an oil leak. I sent you ArcLights,now I maintain helicopters.;)
 
Memories

dear DorGunR,

You brought back many memories. Thank you for the post.

Fix, it was Phrogs who came and got me when I started out flying and ended up walking (running). Thanks for the rides. Remember the Purple Foxes? It always humbles a Cobra driver to see the smile that fills the windscscreen when they came to get us.

God Bless You All,

Scarface
 
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