Liquid alox on cast conicals for revolvers???????

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I was wondering, being lazy, if anyone has tried to tumble lube conicals for a cap and ball. It works GREAT on modern cartridge guns, wondering why it wouldn't work on cap and ball? I've always just not questioned the wisdom of various beezwax concoctions, but liquid alox is REAL easy to use. Heck, to think of it, I've never tried an UNlubed conical, either. I can always scrub out the lead if it don't work, but I reckon they do need to be lubed with SOMEthing.
 
you need not buy expensive powder by the ounce, there is an ancient formulation for powder that works just fine! as for experimenting with lubed VS unlubed, i think that's a great idea! why wouldn't you want to shoot stuff to get data? it's just plain fun! despite what some think i like to scientifically test something once and a while.
 
LLA on conicals in my '51 Navy and old Dragoon do well with T7. With BP, fouling will form a little faster than with more conventional lube designed for BP. In short, go have some fun and blast away, it'll do well enough for keeping fouling at bay.

Wade
 
I've taken to the T7 as it greatly reduces fouling vs Pyrodex, my only other choice. BP and Pyrodex are basically the same, gum up the Navy in under 50 shots. T7 doesn't gum it up at all. But, I kinda like to put Pyrodex in it for the boom and sulfur smell and, hell, I can clean it up if it needs it. :D

Cool, I ain't gonna get anal about lubing my bullets anymore. :D Liquid Alox is so danged easy to do, though, I'll probably use that. I shot my 25 rounds this morning. Haven't chronied the Navy, but hell, I only dump 20 grains T7 or Pyrodex as it]s a brasser and not up to even max BP levels of velocity. The new steel framed Remmy, though, when I get it...finally...will be a test and, too, the ROA shoots HARD with a max load of T7. I might wanna keep lubing my .457 conicals with beezwax.
 
Been there done that. NEVER AGAIN

Liquid Alox is not BP friendly. I tried it on some cartridge conversions and i had the most junk and leading more than i have ever seen. It took forever to clean it out. i at first wasnt sure why and did not want to blame the alox so i tried it again. Well i got the same results. Then i switched to a black powder lube and the leading and fouling GONE.
 
The reason the Alox may not work out is the same reason why modern cast bullet lubes may tar up when shot in BP cartridges. It's because the lube reacts with the heat or nature of the fouling that occurs with real BP but not with smokeless powders.

That's why the information stickies say to use vegtable based oils and not to use petroleum oils. The petroleum oils used in normal gun oils for smokeless powder use will turn tarry and crusty in the barrels. Scrat's experience seems to suggest that the Alox reacts much the same as the petroleum oil when used with black powder.
 
Mmm, makes sense. But, then, perhaps it'd work better with 777? I shot a lot of 777 for the reduced fouling and easy clean up. Pyrodex, well, it's basically black powder. It's my fall back since I can't easily get BP for a reasonable price. It fouls stuff just like BP does, same chemical make up I reckon with an added retardant to keep it from being explosive.

I shoot Pyrodex because I like it and it's cheap. I might need to stick with my beezwax lubes for it, I guess.
 
The problem with petroleum based oils and lubes with black powder is that the powder does not burn hot enough nor long enough to completely burn the oils, leaving a tar like substance: partially burned oil. 777 burns hotter and is slightly better than real black powder as a result, but still doesn't completely burn the lower distillate oils. It won't produce as much tar, but there will likely still be some partially burned oil, = tar.

Pyrodex, like 777 also burns hotter than real black powder, but not as hot as 777. The chemical composition of both Pyrodex and 777 is quite different from real black powder.
 
actuly the issue is refined petro stuff as pariffin and petroluem jelly will not tar up like the refined stuff will.
 
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(Actually, I have a few of things to say, based on comments in this thread made by Busyhands94, 72 coupe, and buttrap's mention of vaseline. But then we'd be back to the "loose balls riding horseback" thread.)
(So I'll just shut up now.) :D
 
Meanwhile, back out here in reality; Imagonna say, "Now that the temps are threatening to stay below a hunnert degrees, I might just grab myself another small can of Crisco. I like the 'butter-flavored' variety.... makes for great fantasy material when waiting in line (for what seems like hours) at the movie-house popcorn stand."
Makes the Remmies all 'goopy', but a quick blast of aerosol brake cleaner fixes that rather handily.








Yes, I'm a sick twisted freak. It's worked for me since I first started acting this way back in college (GO WILDCATS!); so why mess up a good thing?
 
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