Loaning a pistol.

[stevemis]

I've got a very good friend who recently became interested in pistol shooting. He purchased a PA-63, which we shot and found to be inaccurate and completely unreliable.

He has a CHP class (which requires a shooting "test") on Friday and isn't comfortable with the PA-63. He can't run out and buy a new pistol before the class because he needs a Pistol Purchase permit from the Sheriff's Office, which can take up to a week. He put in an application for the purchase permit on Tuesday.

After he shot the PA-63, I let him try one of my CZ's and (of course) he fell in love. Can I loan him one of my pistols for the test? I offered to go up to the training facility with him in order to "bring" the pistol, but I'd much rather not have to drive for two hours and take time away from work.

Ultimately, the question: In North Carolina, can someone just hand you a pistol and say "have fun" and "bring it back later today"? Just to be clear, we are both residents of NC.

 

[Steve in PA]

Depends on your state law.

In PA, you can lend someone a handgun if they have a license to carry.

You can also lend a handgun to a person who does not have a license to carry as long as it is kept in their house or place of business.

 

[RonE]

Not being from NC, I don't know. Are you allowed face to face transfers between individuals in your state? If you are, I would guess that it is OK to loan him a pistol. Can you buy a pistol as a gift for someone in your state? If so, again I would guess loaning a pistol would be OK.

Again, I really don't know but if ftf transfers are allowed, it seems logical that a loan would be OK but since when has logic meant anything to the way things are?

 

[stevemis]

I haven't found anything related to borrowing... I can't gift or sell a pistol without the recipient having either a CHP or a Purchase Permit in NC. That goes for FTF and dealers as well.

I guess the worst case scenario is that I take a few hours off and drive up there with my friend so he can use my pistol on their range.... hopefully since I already have a CHP they'll let me sit through the class without having to pay... it might be nice to see if the course has changed since I took it.

Steve

 

[P95loser]

My suggestion is call your local sherrif's office and ask them.

 

[crankshop1000]

You are loaning the pistol for a trip to the range. As long as the borrower follows the laws regarding transporting the gun legally and does not attempt to conceal it, I don't see any problem.You don't have to own a gun to shoot it.The CPL class I took had rental guns you could use for the range time.

 

[AirForceShooter]

Have your friend check with his instructor.
It shouldn't be a problem.
N.C. has some very strange laws. I know I'll be there this weekend.

AFS

 

[mekender]

yes you can loan a pistol to someone, as long as no transfer of ownership takes place, youll be fine...

 

[hockeybum]

wasn't the "shooting test" just fire one shot? my dad showed up, took the written exam, went to range, fired one shot and graduated

if so, does it really matter what gun he has?

 

[eng23ine]

ummm, If he gets pulled over on his way to the range, how will the officer know WHO the handgun belongs to?
At the most the cop might want to run the SN, and as long as the gun has not been reported lost/stolen it wont even show up on the NCIS logs.

My suggestion: Let him borrow it(IF you trust him) and if for some strange reason someone asks about the ownership of said weapon advise buddy to say its his.

 

[mekender]

ummm, If he gets pulled over on his way to the range, how will the officer know WHO the handgun belongs to?
At the most the cop might want to run the SN, and as long as the gun has not been reported lost/stolen it wont even show up on the NCIS logs.

so long as the gun is not considered concealed, it doesnt matter... there is no regestration in NC, and it is not ilegal to carry a gun in your car if its not concealed ie in the trunk... as for saying it was his if asked, that would be lying to a LEO and that would be a crime... so long as the gun isnt reported stolen, it wont matter

 

[FireArmFan]

Not sure about NC laws but I took my permit to carry test with a friends 1911. I had his pistol for about a month. Took it to the range to practice and stuff too. But since i'm not from NC that doesn't really help much.

 

[stevemis]

The good news is my friend managed to get his pistol purchase permit in less than 24 hours. He applied for it Tuesday afternoon (office was closed Monday for MLK) and got the call to pick it up Wednesday. I guess this kind of turn-around time is a "perk" of living in a small county. He's now able to go out and buy whatever he likes... so I may not even need to loan him something.

wasn't the "shooting test" just fire one shot? my dad showed up, took the written exam, went to range, fired one shot and graduated

When I took the class (6 or 7 years ago) we had a classroom session followed by a live-fire test. There was no written portion of the test. I remember going through several magazines during the live fire portion and shooting either on my knees or on my stomach. I'd have to guess we used somewhere between 40 and 60 rounds.

 

[poor_richard]

I haven’t looked up the laws to verify this yet, but our CPL instructors told us that (in our state) one cannot loan out a pistol unless the recipient has a CPL or a pistol purchase permit. They used the example of being at the range and seeing someone else with a gun that you were thinking about getting. They said that “technically” you couldn’t shoot his pistol even while he was standing there without being in violation. I’d imagine it depends on the region.

Also, some instructors will have guns and ammo available for the class if you let them know you can’t provide your own.

Anyway, glad your friend was able get it sorted out.

 

[Conqueror]

I'm in NC, to my knowledge what you propose is fully legal.

 

[Glockamania®]

He's now able to go out and buy whatever he likes... so I may not even need to loan him something.

Good news. I'd recommend your friend buying a Glock model 19.

 

[TexasBen317]

Not having a clue about the laws, that part does not interest me.. .in my past experience,, loaning anything is a bad idea, be it a lawnmower, your wife, car or hand gun..Just never a good idea from my experience.

Let's say he gets run off the road and mugged and robbed.. Now what do you do? What happens then.. or worst case, he carries the gun loaded, gets into a situation where he pulls the gun and shoots the mugger... Dammed !! now who is in trouble?

call me paranoid,, I would not do it.. if he is truly a good friend, I would go with him and take the loaner..

Just my opinon and not based on any laws or legal issues,, just thinking.

 

[yhtomit]

Stevemis -- did you ever find a definitive answer wrt NC state law? I'd enjoy knowing (out of curiosity if nothing else), and reading the actual law.

Poor_richard -- what state are you in? I hope it's not PA (Not because I don't want to be in the same state as you, but because I've never heard of such a law prohibiting temporary, in-person, try-my-gun loans, and have traded plenty of instant test runs at the range )

Cheers,

timothy

 

[Aguila Blanca]

My suggestion: Let him borrow it(IF you trust him) and if for some strange reason someone asks about the ownership of said weapon advise buddy to say its his.

Since lending (and thus borrowing) a gun is not illegal, why would you suggest that someone who has not broken any law make a false statement to a police officer, thus ensuring that he HAS broken the law?

That's not very helpful advice. Every state has laws against making false statements to the police.

 

[stevemis]

Solved a couple of issues ... I picked up an Olive Drab CZ-75 P01 at the gun show last weekend for $410 out the door. This is a smoking deal, which I couldn't pass up, despite having two already.

My friend was quite impressed with my other CZ's and had already shot one of my P01's. He came by this afternoon with his purchase permit and walked away with the new P01. I broke even on the deal and put a fine carry piece into a good friend's hands in one fell swoop. He's taking his CHP class tomorrow morning with it.

Steve

 

[poor_richard]

Poor_richard -- what state are you in? I hope it's not PA (Not because I don't want to be in the same state as you, but because I've never heard of such a law prohibiting temporary, in-person, try-my-gun loans, and have traded plenty of instant test runs at the range )

I'm in Michigan, and while that is what the instructors said, I don't see someone getting busted for it.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

This would apply to ex-felons. Once paroled or released, they are prohibited from ever touching a firearm again.

I don't think this applies to people who have never been convicted of a felony.