looking at a old 1911

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Going to be looking at a older remington 1911. What are things I need to look out for? Wear are parts going to be worn damaged? Gonna shine a light down the barrel. Other then that Idk what to check for help!
 
Check the upper barrel lugs and the mating slide lugs for peening, deformation, and a "Stair-Stepped" appearance.

Please note that these old pistols aren't really suitable for a lot of use. They're dead soft, and because there's no way of knowing how much ammo has gone through'em...you don't know if the next round will fracture the slide or if it will stand up to the next 10,000.

Back in those dear, dead days when you could barely give a USGI pistol away, and the gun show vendors had'em stacked on the tables like so much cordwood...and the price for an average example was about 35 bucks...my father and uncle bought'em up and refurbished them with cheap USGI parts available on the table across the aisle...to use as shooters. GI ball Ammo was about a penny a round if you bought a thousand at a time.

My father, having a fondness for the pre-A1s, bought those over the later models at about 3:1. We averaged between 5 and 6k on a given pistol before the slide broke. No problem, because slides were also cheap, and the two rascals usually picked up a spare at every show.
 
They're dead soft

Sorry for a bit of a hijack.

So that would indicate that modern 1911 style pistols mostly use better quality or heat treated steels in them?

Is this mostly just referring to WW I era pistols?
 
I was planning on it being a safe queen sadly. It's a "rand" model. Is there any difference in the gi pistols from dark blueing to the silver finish?
 
Sorry for a bit of a hijack.

So that would indicate that modern 1911 style pistols mostly use better quality or heat treated steels in them?

Is this mostly just referring to WW I era pistols?

Modern 1911 pattern pistols are far superior in metalurgy.

Prior to 1925 even commercial mfg COLT Govt's had absolutly NO heat treating done to the frames or slides. NOTHING - they are indeed soft as butter. This goes for Govt issue WWI M1911's as well.

In 1937 they started heat treating the first 1.5" of the slide and the breach face on Govt issue pistols.

WWII M1911A1's didn't get the slide stop cut heat treated until 1943. You will still see these slides crack on high round count guns from time to time.

Govt issue guns never got full heat treating. There were some "Hard Slides" mfgr'd by COLT as replacement parts but that was well after WWII was over.
Will
 
I was planning on it being a safe queen sadly. It's a "rand" model. Is there any difference in the gi pistols from dark blueing to the silver finish?

A Remington Rand is a WWII M1911A1.

Incidently I see this mis identification alot - but most people do not know that Remington Rand had absolutely NOTHING to do with the Remington UMC or Remington Arms Company. Remington Rand was a type writer company that won a contract to produce M1911A1 pistols during WWII. They started in 1943 and by the wars end they had produced the most and the best quality M1911A1's. Before the war they had never built a firearm of any type.

As for the finish. Depending on when your Remington Rand was built - it would have had Dulite (which is bluing over sand blasted metal finish) or Parkerizing.

Your description of "Silver" finish indicates to me that your pistol was nickle/chrome plated sometime after it left the service. Pretty common (unfortunatly) and honestly destroy'd any collectibility for your pistol.
Will
 
It's a "rand" model.

Remington Rand...a WW2 contractor...was a manufacturer of typewriters and electric shavers. One of its subsidiaries also produced magazines for the pistols...marked GS on the baseplate toe. (General Shaver)

Remington Arms Company produced WW1 models.

The WW2 slides were spot-hardened at the front, in the slidestop notch, and the safety notch. The breechface had a hardened insert, known as the "Recoil Shield" that started in 1936 in order to address the peening of the breechface. If you look carefully, you can see the insert, often mistakenly thought to be a machining mark. It wasn't until about mid-1946 that the process of fully hardening the slides was incorporated, and Colt produced a few of those for the government under contract.
 
What would a gun like that go for with a "us" holster? Disappointing news to say the least.

Thanks for the info and sorry for the confusion.
 
If it is a real 1911 Remington, and you can get it a cheap price, GRAB IT. They did not make many Remington 1911s. I would buy one in almost any condition unless it is real junk....chris3
 
Remington Rand was the most produced 1911 in WWII as I remember several million
As for price I sold a 98% one little over a year ago for for 1000 and I should have got more. .
 
Check the upper barrel lugs and the mating slide lugs for peening, deformation, and a "Stair-Stepped" appearance.

Please note that these old pistols aren't really suitable for a lot of use. They're dead soft, and because there's no way of knowing how much ammo has gone through'em...you don't know if the next round will fracture the slide or if it will stand up to the next 10,000.

Back in those dear, dead days when you could barely give a USGI pistol away, and the gun show vendors had'em stacked on the tables like so much cordwood...and the price for an average example was about 35 bucks...my father and uncle bought'em up and refurbished them with cheap USGI parts available on the table across the aisle...to use as shooters. GI ball Ammo was about a penny a round if you bought a thousand at a time.

My father, having a fondness for the pre-A1s, bought those over the later models at about 3:1. We averaged between 5 and 6k on a given pistol before the slide broke. No problem, because slides were also cheap, and the two rascals usually picked up a spare at every show.
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That story epitomizes the phrase "the good 'ol days". Damn, it's hard to believe you all had it so good back then! :)

"You could barely give a USGI pistol away..." Wow.
 
That story epitomizes the phrase "the good 'ol days". Damn, it's hard to believe you all had it so good back then!

That ain't the half of it. The ol' Sarge ordered two GI pistols through the NRA/DCM program in 1966 for 12 bucks a copy plus $2.50 for shipping. They got to pick the guns, so it was a crapshoot. 6 weeks later, the mailman brought'em. In the package was a Colt and a Union Switch...both in 90%+ condition. He knew the production history on the Swissvale pistol, and put it away, telling me not to shoot it. He said that it would be worth a lotta money one day. It now resides in a safe deposit box, along with another one in about the same condition and three other "collector-interest" examples. None have seen the light of day in over 15 years.

I did shoot all of'em to check function. They did...perfectly.
 
They're pretty much synonymous. I refer to Remington Arms Co. when talking about the old 1911s they produced during WW1 to prevent confusion with Union Metallic Cartridge Company, which is still producing ammunition under that logo. After they merged, it became Remington UMC, with Remington Arms making guns and UMC making ammunition...even though it was technically the same company, there were two separate operations.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_Arms
 
A friend was strong into USGI guns in the 1970s and had a gray market (if not black) source of parts he assembled on Essex frames. He was of the firm opinion that Remington Rand had the best steel and held up the best of any military surplus in actual use. A current Internet Expert Collector-Speculator poo-poohed the idea with the statment that they were all brought in under the same set of specifications. But I do not think that means they all had the same sources of materials.

Not that I am going to shoot a suplus gun enough to wear it out anyhow. I only have one left for sentimental purposes and the Caspians go to the range and matches.
 
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