Looking for a decent RKBA TV series. Is Shooter any good?

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TV & movies arent meant for niche audiences...they have to flow with the story, not focus on details that might even confuse those not familiar with guns. Chambering a round or pulling back a hammer on a semi-auto serves a purpose in the action of a movie, even if it's not realistic in most real-life circumstances.

I feel the same way every time I see a horse in a movie, even when horses are the focus...the inaccuracies are ridiculous, even down to them using multiple different horses for one horse and thinking people wont notice. And probably 95% of the people watching dont. I just ignore most of it and try to enjoy the story.
 
The ones that baffle me are the inaccuracies that should be obvious. Like threatening/shooting someone with a hammer down 1911. The actors and everyone else who has used said gun (possibly in the same scene) have to know how the gun works.

Or in End of Watch (which I liked) where the actor shows his gun, calls it a Glock 19, when several scenes show it is obviously a Glock 22. Can't the actor, um, read the number on the slide? For a "gritty, real" style film you would think the actors would want accuracy for their professionalism to the role.

Edit: come to think of it, the scene where he calls it a 19, it is clear in that shot that it is a 22.
 
I love shows with good gun stuff, but it is rare to find authenticity. Frankly, I haven't noticed much about the gun stuff in Shooter. It's an OK show and better than watching the news, but the music is annoyingly terrible and the acting a bit shy of Oscar worthy. The Bob Lee character is dumber than a stump and is out guessed at every turn. Now, for pure entertainment, "Justified" is superb. Elmore Leonard is (was) a brilliant writer and everything about that show is fantastic. As far as guns in movies, I get a kick out of pointing out the errors and identifying the guns they are using. Recently there was an "Untouchables" type movie that the sound effects (shooting) was amazingly authentic. Clearly there was an effort to produce authentic sounds and make it part of the event.
 
I would like someone else to start a philosophy of self defense thread.
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Or just philosophy. I am watching the Walking Dead . Some of the people just do not want to live in a world where when everyone dies, no matter how, they become zombies. They kill themselves or fail to leave a building set to explode. The RKBA, while encoded in 2A, is merely a restatement of "we are endowed by our Creator with ....[insert your own words.]

Several people are willing to die fighting, and do fight to the death to save baby Judith.

As I understand it, our Creator wants us to "go forth and multiply". There is much debate in this matter. ∴Therefore, the idea of waiting for a "better time" is not what He wanted.
 
I don't think any show is going to be perfect, but Justified was good, and I thought Burn Notice was fairly Pro 2A. Sledge Hammer might be worth checking out, and although it only came up in a hand full of episodes, I always got the impression that the Red Green show was at the very least indifferent. I thought Arrow was all right. Someone said supernatural, got to agree there, although why they keep cutting down every shotgun they get their hands on beats me. The new Lethal Weapon was pretty good too, I thought.


Legends of Tomorow, not really, but they do get an honorable mention, for that one scene, when they came SO close to getting it right: they went back in time to the Wild West, and when someone called the guns "6 shooters" he was corrected.... albeit he got it backwards, and said they usually were only loaded with 5 rounds because they DID have hammer blocks, so close to getting it right, but missed it by so much.

Since some others have brought up books, I feel like pointing out the MHI series and everything else written by Larry is kinda mandatory.
 
The new Shooter show lost me when Bob shot his 338 Lapua and the rifle didn't even tremble. And that horrible post production flash added to the muzzle. Eww.
 
"Point of Impact" was the first book in over 20 years that I read more than once. Stephen Hunter's degree of detail is the best there is. I tolerated Wahlberg, he wasn't the problem so much as the time line shift.

I watched the first episode of "Shooter", but when I saw it was starting the story over yet again, I lost interest. Maybe it's not that bad.

The one I loved enough to make me go back and watch the first movie again, was John Wick 2. Dazzling 3-gun scene. (I also loved Atomic Blonde, I found out it is the same director, and Charlize Theron actually trained together with Keane Reeves to do it. Of course the cold war Berlin and new wave music also spoke to my inner teenager.)
 
Movies:
Thief
The Way of the Gun
Dead Bang
Street Kings
Act of Valor
Tears of the Sun
Sicario
End of Watch
Spartan
Deadman Down
Killing them Softly
McQ (John Wayne performs a slick speed reload of a BHP toward the end, some good MAC10 action too)
Prime Cut (Lee Marvin S&WM76 action)
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TVShows/TV movies:
All the Jesse Stone mysteries
Southland
3rd Watch
Taken (the NBC series 2016-17)
 
strangelittleman said:
Movies:
Thief
The Way of the Gun
Dead Bang
Street Kings
Act of Valor
Tears of the Sun
Sicario
End of Watch
Spartan
Deadman Down
Killing them Softly
McQ (John Wayne performs a slick speed reload of a BHP toward the end, some good MAC10 action too)
Prime Cut (Lee Marvin S&WM76 action)
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TVShows/TV movies:
All the Jesse Stone mysteries
Southland
3rd Watch
Taken (the NBC series 2016-17)
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Taken is OK? I almost started it on demand but the stink of Liam Neeson made me not even give it a chance.
 
JR24 said:
Taken is OK?
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But only I, 2 & 3 are decidedly lame.
In the first, you see a guy who is not cartoon strong and cartoon capable; instead, the lead character gets out of breath; things don't always go to plan, but skill and experience win out.

The next episodes just keep layering increasingly idiotic premises. Like having the daugher--who has no experience or training--set off foreign hand grenades without regard as to type or kind. all to be an echo-location method for her dad. The local officials take no notice of these grenades going off, either. Even though they are loud enough to be heard through all sorts of twisty streets, yet not so forecfully as to shred the daughter.
 
CapnMac said:
But only I, 2 & 3 are decidedly lame.
In the first, you see a guy who is not cartoon strong and cartoon capable; instead, the lead character gets out of breath; things don't always go to plan, but skill and experience win out.

The next episodes just keep layering increasingly idiotic premises. Like having the daugher--who has no experience or training--set off foreign hand grenades without regard as to type or kind. all to be an echo-location method for her dad. The local officials take no notice of these grenades going off, either. Even though they are loud enough to be heard through all sorts of twisty streets, yet not so forecfully as to shred the daughter.
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I see, maybe Ill just watch Justified again.

Honestly most of the best action flicks I've seen of late have come.e out of hong kong.
 
JR24 said:
Taken is OK? I almost started it on demand but the stink of Liam Neeson made me not even give it a chance.
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Yes the NBC series "Taken" is quite good. It's a sort of "Bryan Mills, the early years". The young British actor (Clive Standen) is excellent. Many here will recognize him from the History ch. series "Vikings" (I wouldn't, I haven't seen it) I think he'd also make for a good 007.
 
strangelittleman said:
Movies:
Thief
The Way of the Gun
Dead Bang
Street Kings
Act of Valor
Tears of the Sun
Sicario
End of Watch
Spartan
Deadman Down
Killing them Softly
McQ (John Wayne performs a slick speed reload of a BHP toward the end, some good MAC10 action too)
Prime Cut (Lee Marvin S&WM76 action)
------------------------------------------
TVShows/TV movies:
All the Jesse Stone mysteries
Southland
3rd Watch
Taken (the NBC series 2016-17)
Click to expand...
Clearly you have taken note than Michael Mann is very good with the gun details in his movies (I'd add, "Collateral" and the "Miami Vice" televisions series and his later motion picture of same. Tom Selleck, a Gunsite grad and 1911 aficiando after my own heart ...
 
strangelittleman said:
Yes the NBC series "Taken" is quite good. It's a sort of "Bryan Mills, the early years". The young British actor (Clive Standen) is excellent. Many here will recognize him from the History ch. series "Vikings" (I wouldn't, I haven't seen it) I think he'd also make for a good 007.
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I gave it a try, couldn't make it through the first episode. Just not for me.

I do like Vikings though.
 
Just saw Wind River. Some good shoot outs in that one. Good story, worth seeing.
 
In making movies and TV reality is sacrificed for drama, action, sex appeal or something else. If I pay too much attention to what they get wrong it can ruin it for me.

A 140 pound woman will not fight off 6 ninja attackers armed with swords while wearing high heels and a skin tight leather costume. But I can enjoy the scene any way.

Most real fights end up on the floor in about 10 seconds. Not in flicks where they last about 20 minute and have a lot of kicking and punching. The hero always has a guy on top of them killing them and then punches them and they fly off onto the floor. Try that sometime.

The folks always go into the basement where they figure the monster/demon/ghosty thing is. Maybe one guy says, "Hey, I'm bringing this baseball bat". If I was in that movie there'd be no movie. I ain't going down there. If I did it would be with a shotgun, a few other guns, some knives, a priest, a shaman, and a African American woman. Yep a Black woman cuz in about half these movies they show up as the good neighbor or the angel, or spiritual guide who sacrifices themselves for the good of me. So I'll need one of those too. I saw that in an Annabelle movie on TV.

A short, little guy with a big head is in many of these flicks and can fight off at least 6-7 bigger professional hitmen. Think Tom Cruise and the older brother in The Accountant.

I like those movies where there's a moral quandary. Like when they tell the President or a soldier that they will kill their daughter or family unless they turn over the nuclear codes to the crazy looking dude dressed in funny clothes who giggles alot, and they turn over the codes. Now you can always make another kid, or buy one from Brazil or Russia but you really don't want to turn loose the codes to crazy folks who you know will blow up something and kill alot of folks. But in these flicks they do.

I started to watch the TV series The Mist based on the Steven King story. King does not support the 2nd. Few if anyone carries in that show. The show if filled with folks who spend a lot of time looking for flashlights but no time looking for a gun.

Think how they use or don't use guns in shows to add to the drama.
 
For me it has to do with the type of show. If the show is about an ex SF/CIA/SWAT/whatever "operator" then the actor/actress should at least look like they know how to handle a gun in a realistic manner.

Much like I expect a detective to follow reasonable investigative procedures, ditto for doctors and nurses in a hospital.

If nothing else, you would think the actors would have professional pride in their role at least a little.

A cop show where the detective doesn't much care for guns and handles appropriately? Well, thats reasonably true for many LEO so I'll tolerate, even if the female lead is gripping her Glock in a way that all but guarentees a jam. Something like you mentioned with the Mist and folks not thinking about a gun? Well, I have family who eould never even think of it, so again works OK.

I guess its all about the context in the show, but the operators who don't know how to shoot with their eyes open annoys me most.
 
Old Dog said:
Clearly you have taken note than Michael Mann is very good with the gun details in his movies (I'd add, "Collateral" and the "Miami Vice" televisions series and his later motion picture of same. Tom Selleck, a Gunsite grad and 1911 aficiando after my own heart ...
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You bet! If I recall correctly, Mann and Jimmy Caan both went to Gunsite to prep for "Thief"
 
If tempted, do not bother with "Company of Heroes" which is currently on SonyTv.
The oddball Yugo T-34 as WWII German armor is (almost) excusable.
The premise of a troop of GIs lost collaterally to Battle of the Bulge and accidentally fall into contact with some sort of German nuke program, is lame enough.
Enough to match whatever Yugo or Czech rifle they are using to represent an M1C (with the scope mounting on the right). Or a kid fresh out of a RepoDepo randomly picking up a scoped weapons and being anointed "sniper."
They also encounter a heroic soviet soldier who readily falls into the band who have suddenly taken up some sort of "OSS" mission.
The German characters speak in a mix of German with subtitles, German w/o subtitles; and English with German accents--sometimes in the same scene.
It's a stinker.
 
Not strictly a TV series, but worth a watch are the John Wick movies. Keanu Reeves performed all his own stunts and is an avid shooter. Check out some of this 3 gun shooting trials on YouTube. I enjoyed the gun play scenes in the films and there wasn't any major Hollywood fails like pistols only being accurate at 5 yards, no recoil and guns sounding like you dropped a tin of screws upon drawing from a holster.
 
I cut the cable in '98. If anything comes up that interests me then I just check the reviews, look for clips on You-Tube, then buy it season-by-season on disc or Amazon Prime. My sister is a Superwholockian, which covers most of my viewing needs. You-Tube does for much of the rest. I'm currently working my way through the Active Self Protection videos, which make most TV shows look dull as dishwater.
 
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