LR optics on a budget

[newdude]

I am looking for a scope for my new AR, i am looking to shoot about 800yd+/-. I prefer some sort of mil-dot rectical or a HORUS-like retical, and mil clicks. One i am looking at is this; a Falcon Menace. Does anyone have experiance with this scope, or others from Falcon? I would prefer not to go below 10x magnification or over $500...
Also, i have a .260 bolt gun that i am looking for a better scope than the peice of junk i have on it. I read Zak Smith's Pratical Long Range optics artical, but those scopes are way too expensive... (considering i have only $1500 in the gun, $2k for a scope is a bit high) Anyone have a idea? I was thinking about a Horus Raptor, but i read very, very little about Horus scopes...?



Thanks,

Neal

 

[H2O MAN]

Look for a used Leupold at a greatly reduced price... they have a great warranty.

 

[Jerry D]

You could get a bushnell 4200 tactical for less than 500. The super sniper scopes from swfta are lower price range but have been proven to work.

You could also get a used Leupold for under 500, same with a ziess probally or an IOR valida (sp)

 

[dagger dog]

Check out some of Millets and Burris tactical lines you will be surprised at the quality and features available and pricing under 500 bucks.

 

[Zak Smith]

Try a used Leupold, Burris XTR, or SWFA Super Sniper (and that's in order of preference).

 

[H2O MAN]

Zak Smith Try a used Leupold,...

Great idea!

 

[Zak Smith]

I was just backin' you up.

 

[JWarren]

What is the adjustment range on the Burris XTR?


-- John

 

[newdude]

I was thinking about a used leupold, or perhaps if i find a smoking deal on a older USO, that would be nice. What would be a good model of leupold? Any comment on the Falcon?

 

[JWarren]

newdude,

I was looking at that Falcon a while back. Honestly, it was tempting. It seemed to have all the things I was looking for.

But if you look around, you will get mixed reviews. I can't remember what model, but one had the tubes start seperating. Upon discovery of this issue, I was not pleased to read how Falcon handled it.

Even though it seems that they straightened it out, it took a lot of time. Falcon is across the pond and wants its dealers (which are few in the USA) to do primary CS and servicing. Beyond that, you have to deal with England. That seems to be too complicated for the money involved.

I ended up getting a Leupold Mark IV used for a great price.


Before I got a Falcon, I'd take a hard look at Millet's TRS-1 for a variable. At least you can expect better CS if it does break. In that same price range, I'd probably take a Super Sniper fixed power over the Falcon.

-- John

 

[newdude]

JWarren,
Thanks, the millett looks nice, but it has MOA clicks and a mil retical. I really want to completly transfer from MOA to Mils soon, as it annoys me to have the MOA/Mil combo in the same scope. I guess i will start to look for a leupold.
I tried to go throughh their website, but looking at every single scope they have is a bit hard, does anyone know if there is some sort of chart that lists all the the leupold specs? (so i can find one to my specifications...)

 

[H2O MAN]

newdude What would be a good model of leupold?

This may be slightly more scope than you need, but it's a good example of what is available.

I picked up this FDE Mark 4 3.5-10x40mm LR/T with Illuminated TMR Reticle for $650.00.
The best deal going on a new one is about $1350.00 shipped.

 

[JWarren]

H2O Man,

I've got that exact same optic in black. Those look like the M3 turrents, correct? That's what I have.

$650? Wow... I thought my deal was a screaming one at $750.

-- John

 

[newdude]

This may be slightly more scope than you need, but it's a good example of what is available.

I picked up this FDE Mark 4 3.5-10x40mm LR/T with Illuminated TMR Reticle for $650.00.
The best deal going on a new one is about $1350.00 shipped.

Actually, as i said, i don't want to go below 10x on the high end, so that would be perfect. (providing it fits into all the little things i didn't mention yet...) Great deal!

Nice lookin M14 you got there too!

 

[MAX100]

the millett looks nice, but it has MOA clicks and a mil retical. I really want to completly transfer from MOA to Mils soon, as it annoys me to have the MOA/Mil combo in the same scope.

The new Millett TRS-1 & LRS-1 scopes for 2009 are offered in 1/4" or .1 Mil clicks, your choice. You may have to wait a few weeks for one. SWFA has them listed.


GC

 

[newdude]

Okay, cool.

 

[Iansstud]

Ok, 1/4" vs. .1mil....

whats the best route? Im sure I depends, on what you want, but what about someone that is just started shooting L/R? I'm about to buy the Millett and dont know what I want... Im sure Ill know in a few years and dont want to kick my self in the ass... I'm somewhat used to 1/4 but thats all Ive ever used..

 

[H2O MAN]

JWarren Those look like the M3 turrents, correct?

Mine has the faster 1/2 MOA M2 dials.

 

[newdude]

Ok, 1/4" vs. .1moa....

whats the best route? Im sure I depends, on what you want, but what about someone that is just started shooting L/R? I'm about to buy the Millett and dont know what I want... Im sure Ill know in a few years and dont want to kick my self in the ass... I'm somewhat used to 1/4 but thats all Ive ever used..

Well, if you have a mil dot retical, or something like a Horus retical, then it is annoying to have to think of scope adjustments in MOA and retical holdover stuff in mils. More chance that you screw up, and just plain slower.

 

[Iansstud]

Oops, I put .1moa not .1mil...
I ment 1/4" vs. .1Mil

I think Ill go .1mil? I would be getting mildot, thats what I have now. I dont think I have ever used hold over yet, It does sound easyer with mils...

Is having mil adjustments a new thing? most scopes I can think of use 1/8", 1/4", 1/2" or 1" moa.

Thanks

 

[Zak Smith]

0.1 mil = 0.34 MOA

The article referred to in the opening post explains mils, moa, etc.

 

[gvnwst]

Is having mil adjustments a new thing? most scopes I can think of use 1/8", 1/4", 1/2" or 1" moa.

I think (just a idea) that the reason MOA is so popular for the public is that it is pretty much 1" at 100yd, and everyone thinks in inches. One mil is 10cm at 100m, .1mil is 1cm. Which would you prefer to use, if you were the average joe, with no shots past 200 probably, and no such thing as holdover and mil dot reticals?

 

[Zak Smith]

One mil is one deciyard at 100 yards, and one 0.1 mil click is one centiyard. What, you guys don't think in centiyards??

 

[gvnwst]

One mil is one deciyard at 100 yards, and one 0.1 mil click is one centiyard. What, you guys don't think in centiyards??

I was under the impression that pretty much all mil scopes used metric, as it is more fitting of the system?

 

[Zak Smith]

My post was in jest.

A mil scope isn't specific to meters, and it's incorrect to say they "use metric" (since a scope really uses angular not linear units).

One mil is simply one part transverse in 1000 parts distance. Hence 1 yard @ 1000 yards, 3.6" @ 3600", 0.5 meters @ 500 meters, etc.

One MOA is 1.0472" at 100 yards, or 2.9 cm @ 100 meters. The percent error from "round" numbers of MOA units vs. meters (ie, almost 3 cm @ 100m) is actually less than the 4.7% error of MOA vs. yards/inches!