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M&P would be my pick. Unless you actully *like* Glocks. They are great guns, too. I just can't stand shooting them.
M&P vs XD vs Glock - There can be only one...
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Glocks Limitations,
Can not shoot Lead Ammo.
Can not Shoot Reloads (according to Factory.)
The Slide Rails are Molded into the Polymer Frame.
The Magazines are Plastic and do not last as long as the Stainless the XD Provides..
The Sights are Plastic and Easily Dinged if Dropped or Hit.
The Glock Needs to be maintenance more than Others (Cleaning).
The Glock can be Discharged if the trigger gets hung on the holster ,this is rare but has happened along with the big Boom from buildup in the octagon barrel.
I do not understand why glock would produce an octagon barrel other than it cost less to manufacture as it does nothing to improve accuracy.
These are facts, I am a Glock Lover as I have owned Several and Still do., I am Just .Saying the XD has improved the Design,
The M&P also looks Good but more time is needed to determine its reliability.(a Deaw back to the M&P is that it is DAO and has a Spongy Feel to the Trigger.)
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If You Read My Post I Stated That You Can Not Go Wrong with any of these pistols.
There all excellent and I own all 3 and not selling any. But The Gentleman wanted an Opinion of which was the Finest of the 3 awesome guns, I could say any of them but that's not true, The XD has Improved on the Glock Design In My Opinion, Now You May Have a Different Opinion and That's Fine but at least back it up with some facts so the Gentleman can Make an informed Decision instead of Flaming My Post which May Be Bias in Your Mind but at Least states Facts attributed the the Handguns in question Here.
I'm Waiting for some Facts how an M&P or a Glock is Built better than or is More Reliable than The XD, I'll Give Ya One Since No One has Mentioned it, The Glock is the Most Concealable as its the thinnest of the 3..
Now Post Fact not Just Talking Points So The Gentleman can Get the Best Gun for His $$$$$.
Look at All Your Posts, Every One is Either a Flame of Someone Else's Post or a Fanboy Post of "I Felt The Others and Like My Brand.
Please Post A Fact How One is Better than The Other.
This way those of Us Who Know Better Can Refute any False Claims....
I'll Say this,
The M&P Jumps More at the Muzzle and Has a Tenancy to twist in a weak wrist according to My Wife.
The M&P Also has that Springy Spongy Creep in the Trigger Pull similar to the Glocks.
I Like The Feel of the M&P Better than the Glock But The XD Feels Like The 1911 which I Love.
The M&P is Built Well for a Polymer But the XD is a Little Beefier However the M&P is a Tad Lighter.
All 3 Have Excellent Factory Service and Both the M&P and the XD have Lifetime Warranty,
Something to consider if You Shoot a Lot.
If Your Like Me ,I Love The Crisp Trigger of an SA , The XD is not as crisp as the 1911 but its Decent.
The M&P Jumps More at the Muzzle and Has a Tenancy to twist in a weak wrist according to My Wife.
The M&P Also has that Springy Spongy Creep in the Trigger Pull similar to the Glocks.
I Like The Feel of the M&P Better than the Glock But The XD Feels Like The 1911 which I Love.
The M&P is Built Well for a Polymer But the XD is a Little Beefier However the M&P is a Tad Lighter.
All 3 Have Excellent Factory Service and Both the M&P and the XD have Lifetime Warranty,
Something to consider if You Shoot a Lot.
If Your Like Me ,I Love The Crisp Trigger of an SA , The XD is not as crisp as the 1911 but its Decent.
Autolycus
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Go and try an HK USP or USPc. Its going to shoot straight to the top of your list.
Of the three, I'd pick the Glock, but narrowly. The S&W hasn't been around long enough to draw any real conclusions about serviuce life. I've handled a 300,000 round Glock 17 that is still in use without any major repairs.
In my experience, most people who are fgamiliar with handguns find the Glocks grip angle off-putting, while those with no experience don;t mind at all. The grip angle of the Glock allows the bore linbe to be lower in relation to the hand, reducing the torquing action when firing.
I had to learn to like the Glock grip. But I draw the line at the 40 cals. If it's a 45, I'll take the XD - the grip is much more reasonable.
As already noted, you can't buy parts for the XD. For some, that is a deal killer. By contrast, the Glocjk has about a zillion after-market parts available, accessories, holster, etc. I particularly like the variety of triggers available. I find the stock 5 pound Glock trigger too light for concealed carry, so I have a NYSP 8 pound trigger kit in mine. That's not an option in the other two pistols. SA seems to view the XD as perfect the way it is, and there's not much in the way of aftermarket goodies.
The S&W is just too new. Not enough after-market stuff. When i looked at the new grip design, I though it might fit better, but was disappointed. I have yet to find any gun that feels as good as the Old Brwoning High power, although the CZ comes close. None of the three options here are superior in terms or ergonomics, IMO.
To reiterate.
Glock - cheap, lots of after-market, reliable.
Except in 45, where I pick XD-45
S&W, maybe after it's been out for a while.
In my experience, most people who are fgamiliar with handguns find the Glocks grip angle off-putting, while those with no experience don;t mind at all. The grip angle of the Glock allows the bore linbe to be lower in relation to the hand, reducing the torquing action when firing.
I had to learn to like the Glock grip. But I draw the line at the 40 cals. If it's a 45, I'll take the XD - the grip is much more reasonable.
As already noted, you can't buy parts for the XD. For some, that is a deal killer. By contrast, the Glocjk has about a zillion after-market parts available, accessories, holster, etc. I particularly like the variety of triggers available. I find the stock 5 pound Glock trigger too light for concealed carry, so I have a NYSP 8 pound trigger kit in mine. That's not an option in the other two pistols. SA seems to view the XD as perfect the way it is, and there's not much in the way of aftermarket goodies.
The S&W is just too new. Not enough after-market stuff. When i looked at the new grip design, I though it might fit better, but was disappointed. I have yet to find any gun that feels as good as the Old Brwoning High power, although the CZ comes close. None of the three options here are superior in terms or ergonomics, IMO.
To reiterate.
Glock - cheap, lots of after-market, reliable.
Except in 45, where I pick XD-45
S&W, maybe after it's been out for a while.
boomstik45
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The glock slide is NOT molded into the polymer frame, otherwise you'd never be able to disassemble the weapon. I assume you meant to say the frame rails, in which case you have a point.
As for XD, the .45 is nice. For the money, you're getting a good gun with good capacity. After handling and shooting the M&P .45, if you don't mind having three less rounds in your mag, you're getting a very nice gun. I've shot better with it than the XD, but I'd still not quite be able to choose between the two. I'd take both if I could. However, the HK USP .45 is still better than both.
As for XD, the .45 is nice. For the money, you're getting a good gun with good capacity. After handling and shooting the M&P .45, if you don't mind having three less rounds in your mag, you're getting a very nice gun. I've shot better with it than the XD, but I'd still not quite be able to choose between the two. I'd take both if I could. However, the HK USP .45 is still better than both.
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boomstik45
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A glock clone, hah ha! If that's the case, then the clone came out an improvement on the original!
chieftain
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Not in 45acp/10mm it isn’t
The Glock is much more proven, and is easier to maintain. More options/accessories are available, this ain’t always a better thing.
Most of your tirade is opinion and frankly wrong. Not fact at all, either fiction or I guess made up by the toothfairy
Like yours?
As a 1911 guy again, I find the XD feels a lot more like my 226/228/229 SIG's. The double stack SIG Classics. Not at all like my 220 or 225. But in no way does the XD even begin to feel like a 1911. You are totally wrong again.
Go figure
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Not for nuthin' yur_maker...but what's with all the random capitalization of words? It makes your posts more difficult read.
I meant to say the glock slide rails are molded in and they are last I checked.
As for the XD Feels Like a 1911 , Point a 1911 and Point an XD They Come up exactly the Same , Yes the XD is Fatter But the Feel in Shooting Either Gun is Very similar.(Although The 1911A Colt is the Finest Auto Made in My Opinion.)
The Nit Pickers in Here are Plentiful Yet Not One has Stated Any Real Fact Just Opinion.
One comment was just off the wall saying the Glock could shoot lead bullets ,he just changed Barrels, Well were talking stock guns here not mods.
Someones Going to Get Hurt Listening to Crap like this.
You People are just confusing the Gentleman that asked what to buy.
You All Have Many ASSumptions but no real facts on why to buy what Gun.
What Mechanically or Design makes
The Glock Better
The XD Better
The M&P Better.
All Anyone but Myself has said is "I Shot 2 Trillion Rounds from My Brand Gun Yesterday so its The Greatest..
This is Not About Me its about the Gentleman who started the post wanting the Best Gun of these Three.
Lets Help eem Out not Bicker Fanboy talk.
As for the Glock We all Know its Reliable, So is the XD, as for the M&P its to Early to Tell , We all Agree on this Much.
Lets Tell The Gentleman The Advantage in the Design or Mechanics so He Can Make a Choice.
As for the XD Feels Like a 1911 , Point a 1911 and Point an XD They Come up exactly the Same , Yes the XD is Fatter But the Feel in Shooting Either Gun is Very similar.(Although The 1911A Colt is the Finest Auto Made in My Opinion.)
The Nit Pickers in Here are Plentiful Yet Not One has Stated Any Real Fact Just Opinion.
One comment was just off the wall saying the Glock could shoot lead bullets ,he just changed Barrels, Well were talking stock guns here not mods.
Someones Going to Get Hurt Listening to Crap like this.
You People are just confusing the Gentleman that asked what to buy.
You All Have Many ASSumptions but no real facts on why to buy what Gun.
What Mechanically or Design makes
The Glock Better
The XD Better
The M&P Better.
All Anyone but Myself has said is "I Shot 2 Trillion Rounds from My Brand Gun Yesterday so its The Greatest..
This is Not About Me its about the Gentleman who started the post wanting the Best Gun of these Three.
Lets Help eem Out not Bicker Fanboy talk.
As for the Glock We all Know its Reliable, So is the XD, as for the M&P its to Early to Tell , We all Agree on this Much.
Lets Tell The Gentleman The Advantage in the Design or Mechanics so He Can Make a Choice.
Fred
The DAO is the Reason for the Long Trigger Travel and Every DAO I have Ever Shot Has a Springy Feel to the Trigger Unless You Get a lot of Work done to it.
I can Tell you have never fired a 1911 or You would Know just how Springy the DAO's Feel.
If You Got a Fact about these 3 guns Stock from the box then state it ,instead of Flaming on Others Post.
My Opinion of anyone who pulls apart Others Posts for talking points is not very High.
Why Don't You Become constructive instead of destructive.
And Again were not talking about 10mm's here !
Get a Clue.
The DAO is the Reason for the Long Trigger Travel and Every DAO I have Ever Shot Has a Springy Feel to the Trigger Unless You Get a lot of Work done to it.
I can Tell you have never fired a 1911 or You would Know just how Springy the DAO's Feel.
If You Got a Fact about these 3 guns Stock from the box then state it ,instead of Flaming on Others Post.
My Opinion of anyone who pulls apart Others Posts for talking points is not very High.
Why Don't You Become constructive instead of destructive.
And Again were not talking about 10mm's here !
Get a Clue.
Fred
The DAO is the Reason for the Long Trigger Travel and Every DAO I have Ever Shot Has a Springy Feel to the Trigger Unless You Get a lot of Work done to it.
I can Tell you have never fired a 1911 or You would Know just how Springy the DAO's Feel.
If You Got a Fact about these 3 guns Stock from the box then state it ,instead of Flaming on Others Post.
My Opinion of anyone who pulls apart Others Posts for talking points is not very High.
Why Don't You Become constructive instead of destructive.
Heres a Taste of Your Own Medicine!
Your better ballistics from an octagon barrel is BS and has been disproved, it Has No Ballistic Advantage.
Your grip safety BS is Total BS as anyone I have ever Know Does not Defeat the Grip safety.(Maybe Your Hillbilly Buds Do.
as for the Plastic Glock Mags , I have Several all Dinged up.
As for Your BS about Sights , 90% of gun owners use the stock sites.
I would not Let You work on My kids tricycle with Your Comments.
I Bet You don't even Own a gun.
I mean Your Comments are Redicolous, Were all Talking about Stock Guns and Your Going into a Tirade about Modded Guns.
Well I can Make any Gun reliable if I put enough work into it.
Your a Glock Fanboy who has Only seen a 1911 in Pictures.
Your not fooling anyone Freddy.
You need to go to the Glock Fanboy Forum and get a Lifetime Membership.
The Only Fact You have stated in Your Whole alligator Mouth Overload was the Fact that Glock Has More accessories than the Others Available.
That Was the Only Worthy Sentence in Your Whole Manifesto on How to Act Like a Jackass.
The DAO is the Reason for the Long Trigger Travel and Every DAO I have Ever Shot Has a Springy Feel to the Trigger Unless You Get a lot of Work done to it.
I can Tell you have never fired a 1911 or You would Know just how Springy the DAO's Feel.
If You Got a Fact about these 3 guns Stock from the box then state it ,instead of Flaming on Others Post.
My Opinion of anyone who pulls apart Others Posts for talking points is not very High.
Why Don't You Become constructive instead of destructive.
Heres a Taste of Your Own Medicine!
Your better ballistics from an octagon barrel is BS and has been disproved, it Has No Ballistic Advantage.
Your grip safety BS is Total BS as anyone I have ever Know Does not Defeat the Grip safety.(Maybe Your Hillbilly Buds Do.
as for the Plastic Glock Mags , I have Several all Dinged up.
As for Your BS about Sights , 90% of gun owners use the stock sites.
I would not Let You work on My kids tricycle with Your Comments.
I Bet You don't even Own a gun.
I mean Your Comments are Redicolous, Were all Talking about Stock Guns and Your Going into a Tirade about Modded Guns.
Well I can Make any Gun reliable if I put enough work into it.
Your a Glock Fanboy who has Only seen a 1911 in Pictures.
Your not fooling anyone Freddy.
You need to go to the Glock Fanboy Forum and get a Lifetime Membership.
The Only Fact You have stated in Your Whole alligator Mouth Overload was the Fact that Glock Has More accessories than the Others Available.
That Was the Only Worthy Sentence in Your Whole Manifesto on How to Act Like a Jackass.
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The thread needs to run in a civil fashion. Let's not let it take a turn downhill.
State your facts, opinions, reasoning or personal observations relevant to the original poster's questions. Personal differences and arguments can be taken to PM's or just ignored completely but should not appear in this thread.
State your facts, opinions, reasoning or personal observations relevant to the original poster's questions. Personal differences and arguments can be taken to PM's or just ignored completely but should not appear in this thread.
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Glocks Limitations posted by yur_maker
- Higher velocities due to reduced friction of the bullet in the barrel, as the polygonal rifling has less surface area than the lands and grooves of a traditionally rifled barrel
- Less bullet deformation, resulting in reduced drag on the bullet which helps to increase range and accuracy
-Increased barrel life and reduced buildup of copper or lead within the barrel
The reason why Glock does NOT recommend shooting lead ammo is because Glock barrels have a fairly sharp transition between the chamber and the rifling, and this area is prone to lead buildup if lead bullets are used. This buildup may result in failures to fully return to battery, allowing the gun to fire with the case not fully supported by the chamber, leading to a potentially dangerous case failure.
Wrong! The slide is a seperate removable component from the frame.
Wrong again. The magazines are polymer on the outside only. They are STEEL lined on the inside. The mags are cheaper than XD mags and they last long also.
Wrong yet again. The Glock has been compared to the AK47. It is low maintainance and need little to no lubing. There have been torture tests that have illustrated this fact also. I don't know where you are getting your info. But you sound like a Glock hater.
Advantages of Polygonal rifling. Heckler & Koch, Glock, Magnum Research and Kahr arms all make use of this technology.
- Higher velocities due to reduced friction of the bullet in the barrel, as the polygonal rifling has less surface area than the lands and grooves of a traditionally rifled barrel
- Less bullet deformation, resulting in reduced drag on the bullet which helps to increase range and accuracy
-Increased barrel life and reduced buildup of copper or lead within the barrel
The reason why Glock does NOT recommend shooting lead ammo is because Glock barrels have a fairly sharp transition between the chamber and the rifling, and this area is prone to lead buildup if lead bullets are used. This buildup may result in failures to fully return to battery, allowing the gun to fire with the case not fully supported by the chamber, leading to a potentially dangerous case failure.
Please read the other Posts.
I stated the Slide Rails are molded in and they are.
Are You Going to argue With this?
The mags are plastic with a metal insert but the plastic gets all dinged up from use.
This is what a Glock rep told Me "The Reason Lead Ammo will Void a Glocks Warranty is because the lead builds up due to the octagon shape and Clearances."
No independent research has verified Glocks claim of higher Velocity from an octagon barrel , But they have stated that the octagon barrel is cheaper to make.
Yea The Glocks are Durable but just not as durable as the XD. Also The AK-47 is a Loose inaccurate Pile of Crap, Is that what you compare the Glock Too. because I Don't.
Kmart Could build a handgun to an AK-47's Tolerences and it would be reliable as with parts that loose the dirt falls out.
Look All these Guns are Good Just Pick them up and You will see that the Glock Feels the Cheapest Followed Closely by the M&P , The XD is Built like a TANK for a Polymer Gun Period.
The Glock is a Nice Polymer Gun, There are just Better Polymer guns out Now.
I hated to admit in too as a Glock Fan for 10 yrs +.
Any of these 3 would Make a great Personal defence gun.
But the Thread wants to know which is Best.
So far No One has Mentioned How a Glock is Superior to an M&P or XD.
All We Get is Fanboy Talk.
I Have Glocks Too but I Choose to Promote the Best Quality and not My Fan Fare.
Please Someone State One Thing Better on a Glock???
Because All My Local Shops around here also state not only do they sell 3 XD's to every Glock but there Gunsmiths all state The XD is superior.
In All But One case that Claimed the M&P was.
I Live were there's a Gun shop on every corner.
Most of these are Glock Dealers, yet there tool guys say get the XD.
Go Figure....
I hated to admit in too as a Glock Fan for 10 yrs +.
Any of these 3 would Make a great Personal defence gun.
But the Thread wants to know which is Best.
So far No One has Mentioned How a Glock is Superior to an M&P or XD.
All We Get is Fanboy Talk.
I Have Glocks Too but I Choose to Promote the Best Quality and not My Fan Fare.
Please Someone State One Thing Better on a Glock???
Because All My Local Shops around here also state not only do they sell 3 XD's to every Glock but there Gunsmiths all state The XD is superior.
In All But One case that Claimed the M&P was.
I Live were there's a Gun shop on every corner.
Most of these are Glock Dealers, yet there tool guys say get the XD.
Go Figure....
GunNut
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Glock. Proven design, Proven reliability and Proven customer service.
Although, either the XD or M&P would probably serve you as well.
Although, either the XD or M&P would probably serve you as well.
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